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24-10-2013, 07:55 PM (This post was last modified: 24-10-2013 08:03 PM by Losty.)
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(24-10-2013 07:50 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(24-10-2013 07:42 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Why can't someone believe that it is possible that some sort of god exists that is not all knowing?

I said earlier in this thread that I do not think God has to be all knowing. However if we assume He is(and exists), it carries some pretty nasty implications....for both atheists and theists.

Atheists assume he does not exist at all.
I think it is a stretch to say that an all knowing all powerful god would be bound by the same rules as us.
Maybe something has to exist for humans to know about it, but it does not have to exist for god to know about it. Especially a Christian god, who knew ever single person in the history of the world before they were conceived. So the bible itself tells us that something does not need to exist for a god to know about it.

Although the entire argument is silly because god does not exist.
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24-10-2013, 08:02 PM (This post was last modified: 25-10-2013 05:46 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(24-10-2013 07:39 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(24-10-2013 07:29 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So then, the logical conclusion from this, is that Christianity is as likely as unicorns to be true.

If God is all knowing....meaning knows everything that can be known, then God must have created a world with unicorns and a world in which Christianity is true.

It also means God must have created a world in which atheism is rewarded.

This isn't an argument about God's existence. It is an argument about the nasty implications of omniscience.

It's an illogical set of unrelated premises and false conclusions, all based entirely on purely unrelated speculations. Even IF it were "logical", (and it isn't), you haven't demonstrated that logic is the way to access reality. I can demonstrate it is not.

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24-10-2013, 08:11 PM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
You have a grammar error concerning apostrophe use in your subject line.
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24-10-2013, 08:17 PM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
Word salad with non sequitur dressing.

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24-10-2013, 08:23 PM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(24-10-2013 07:39 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(24-10-2013 07:29 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So then, the logical conclusion from this, is that Christianity is as likely as unicorns to be true.

If God is all knowing....meaning knows everything that can be known, then God must have created a world with unicorns and a world in which Christianity is true.

It also means God must have created a world in which atheism is rewarded.

This isn't an argument about God's existence. It is an argument about the nasty implications of omniscience.

Here's the thing. In order for god to have created this world, he would have had to have the concept of this world in mind in order to create it. By your argument, he couldn't have had this concept without the creation already in place, but how is the creation in place without the concept of the creation existing before he created it?

Circular much?

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24-10-2013, 09:09 PM
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Am I high?

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24-10-2013, 09:11 PM
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(24-10-2013 09:09 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Am I high?

Will you share?
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24-10-2013, 09:14 PM
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(24-10-2013 09:11 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(24-10-2013 09:09 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Am I high?

Will you share?

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24-10-2013, 09:22 PM
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(24-10-2013 09:14 PM)Anjele Wrote:  [Image: grumpy-cat-8141_preview_zpsf020d696.png]

Ahahaha I love grumpy cat!
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24-10-2013, 09:56 PM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
So it's just more WLC style 'concepts by necessity have to exist somewhere more than outside our imagination' claptrap? Really? This shit is centuries old and was bullshit even back then... Dodgy

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