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03-10-2014, 09:46 AM
RE: About special pleadings.
(03-10-2014 09:18 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 07:27 AM)Sam Wrote:  How do you know everything that comes into existence has a cause?

Sam, what you are doing here is dismissing an argument because you do not agree with one of its premises. There is nothing wrong with dismissing an argument on the basis of a faulty premise.....just remember a faulty premise is not a special pleading.

If one premise is "All x require y", and another premise is "Except this x", that is special pleading.

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03-10-2014, 10:49 AM
RE: About special pleadings.
(03-10-2014 09:46 AM)Chas Wrote:  If one premise is "All x require y", and another premise is "Except this x", that is special pleading.

That is not a special pleading fallacy.

If the conclusion is excepted from the premise "All x require y" without justification.....then you have a special pleading. An argument can contain a premise which justifies why the conclusion is excepted from one of the premises.

Premise 1: It is against the law to drive of 55 mph.
Premise 2: Ambulance drivers enroute to an emergency are exempted from the law.
Premise 3: John is an ambulance driver enroute to an emergency.
Premise 4: John is driving 75 mph.
Conclusion: John is not violating the law.

There is no special pleading fallacy in the above argument.
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03-10-2014, 11:10 AM
RE: About special pleadings.
(02-10-2014 11:50 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Now here is an important rule..Don't run with scissors. Yes

Another important rule: don't play in traffic.

However, I would make an exception to both rules in Heywood's case.

Is that special pleading? Consider

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03-10-2014, 11:27 AM
RE: About special pleadings.
(03-10-2014 10:49 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 09:46 AM)Chas Wrote:  If one premise is "All x require y", and another premise is "Except this x", that is special pleading.

That is not a special pleading fallacy.

If the conclusion is excepted from the premise "All x require y" without justification.....then you have a special pleading. An argument can contain a premise which justifies why the conclusion is excepted from one of the premises.

Premise 1: It is against the law to drive of 55 mph.
Premise 2: Ambulance drivers enroute to an emergency are exempted from the law.
Premise 3: John is an ambulance driver enroute to an emergency.
Premise 4: John is driving 75 mph.
Conclusion: John is not violating the law.

There is no special pleading fallacy in the above argument.

You are definitely right. You have used a great argument to demonstrate your god. Perfectly done.

Can this be also used to prove all the other gods or will you be using some of that "special pleading"?
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03-10-2014, 11:32 AM
RE: About special pleadings.
(02-10-2014 11:18 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(02-10-2014 11:01 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  A special pleading occurs when someone attempts to cite an exception to a generally accepted rule without any justification.

For instance consider the following. Everything that comes into existence must have a cause.

Yes that is an example of a special pleading.

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03-10-2014, 11:47 AM
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(03-10-2014 11:27 AM)Zippo Wrote:  You are definitely right. You have used a great argument to demonstrate your god. Perfectly done.

Can this be also used to prove all the other gods or will you be using some of that "special pleading"?

This isn't a thread about God's existence or lack thereof. It's a thread about special pleading fallacies. It purpose is to educated forum readers on what is and what isn't a special pleading fallacy because they were failing miserably at identifying them.
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03-10-2014, 11:50 AM
RE: About special pleadings.
(03-10-2014 11:47 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 11:27 AM)Zippo Wrote:  You are definitely right. You have used a great argument to demonstrate your god. Perfectly done.

Can this be also used to prove all the other gods or will you be using some of that "special pleading"?

This isn't a thread about God's existence or lack thereof. It's a thread about special pleading fallacies. It purpose is to educated forum readers on what is and what isn't a special pleading fallacy because they were failing miserably at identifying them.

It's just great you are going to educate forum readers.
You being an educator here will do wonders for the forum.

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03-10-2014, 12:13 PM
RE: About special pleadings.
(02-10-2014 11:07 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(02-10-2014 11:07 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  Right. It is not special pleading.....it is just fucking stupid, Woodie.

Too many atheists here cry special pleading when there is none. The point of this thread is to educate people on what a special pleading is.

What are you bitching about? I agreed with you...sort of.

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03-10-2014, 04:52 PM
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Why do I get the feeling she is trying to use special pleading to play word games to try and make the 5 catholic proofs not special pleading so she can try and argue with it later?


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03-10-2014, 08:10 PM
RE: About special pleadings.
(03-10-2014 10:49 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 09:46 AM)Chas Wrote:  If one premise is "All x require y", and another premise is "Except this x", that is special pleading.

That is not a special pleading fallacy.

If the conclusion is excepted from the premise "All x require y" without justification.....then you have a special pleading. An argument can contain a premise which justifies why the conclusion is excepted from one of the premises.

Premise 1: It is against the law to drive of 55 mph.
Premise 2: Ambulance drivers enroute to an emergency are exempted from the law.
Premise 3: John is an ambulance driver enroute to an emergency.
Premise 4: John is driving 75 mph.
Conclusion: John is not violating the law.

There is no special pleading fallacy in the above argument.

That does not follow the definition I gave so it is not an example of special pleading nor a counter-argument.

The "uncaused cause" is special pleading.

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