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22-08-2015, 11:47 AM
Absence of evidence
(22-08-2015 11:42 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:36 AM)Free Wrote:  For something to be possible, some evidence must be supplied. It will remain not possible until otherwise proven to be possible.

So, if we don't know that it's possible, then this lack of knowledge alone gives us the knowledge that it is impossible?

Am I really the only one who see a problem here?HuhHuhHuh

Yes, you are the only one seeing a problem.

No evidence of a concept/claim, means no possibility or plausibility.

Otherwise, fairies are as equally likely to exist as an as of yet undiscovered fish in the deep sea. Which is bullshit. We know of other deep sea fish, so an unknown species of dee sea fish is plausible. Fairies have no evidence of plausibility, they are indistinguishable from fiction, because they are fiction.

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22-08-2015, 11:49 AM
Absence of evidence
You can't assign possibility or plausibility to an existence or occurrence, without evidence it is plausible.

So gods remain implausible and impossible. And they'll remain there until evidence is found to demonstrate possibility/plausibility.

This really isn't that fucking hard.

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22-08-2015, 11:49 AM
RE: Absence of evidence
(22-08-2015 11:45 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:28 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  I think "probability" is a poor and misleading word choice, but let's not get hung up on that.

What evidence should be there in the case of a deistic god?

It isn't poor or misleading, you don't understand probability.

If you say something has a low probability, but you don't mean that it has a low frequency of occurrence, then I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If all you mean is that you subjectively think it is not the case, then why not just say that?
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22-08-2015, 11:50 AM
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(22-08-2015 11:49 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:45 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  It isn't poor or misleading, you don't understand probability.

If you say something has a low probability, but you don't mean that it has a low frequency of occurrence, then I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If all you mean is that you subjectively think it is not the case, then why not just say that?

That's because you don't know what a probability is and isn't. It isn't a frequency.

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22-08-2015, 11:52 AM
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A frequency of occurrence might be based on a probability, but they aren't the same fucking thing.

For instance, the probability of winning the lottery is not the same thing as the frequency at which people do win the lottery.

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22-08-2015, 11:52 AM
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People win lotteries every damn day. But that doesn't mean the probability of winning for each individual ticket is going to occur every day.

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22-08-2015, 11:53 AM
RE: Absence of evidence
(22-08-2015 11:42 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:36 AM)Free Wrote:  For something to be possible, some evidence must be supplied. It will remain not possible until otherwise proven to be possible.

So, if we don't know that it's possible, then this lack of knowledge alone gives us the knowledge that it is impossible?

Am I really the only one who see a problem here?HuhHuhHuh

If you don't know that it's possible, how then can you claim that it is possible if you don't know?

You cannot say that something is possible when you have no knowledge of it being possible, and that knowledge is only aquired with evidence.

How can anyone become an atheist when we are all born with no beliefs in the first place? We are atheists because we were born this way.
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22-08-2015, 11:54 AM
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Frequencies describe rates of occurrence. Probability describes individual odds of occurrence/existence.

Probability of heads on a coin? 50/50. That doesn't mean that if you flip it 100 times your frequency (the number of heads flips) will be 50/50. Because probability doesn't work like that. At all.

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22-08-2015, 11:54 AM
RE: Absence of evidence
(22-08-2015 11:47 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:42 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  So, if we don't know that it's possible, then this lack of knowledge alone gives us the knowledge that it is impossible?

Am I really the only one who see a problem here?HuhHuhHuh

Yes, you are the only one seeing a problem.

No evidence of a concept/claim, means no possibility or plausibility.

Otherwise, fairies are as equally likely to exist as an as of yet undiscovered fish in the deep sea. Which is bullshit. We know of other deep sea fish, so an unknown species of dee sea fish is plausible. Fairies have no evidence of plausibility, they are indistinguishable from fiction, because they are fiction.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...y-science/

These things were once thought impossible. It is a mistake to believe that because something has not been proven to be possible, that it must be impossible. If you like having false beliefs and being wrong a lot, have at it.
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22-08-2015, 11:57 AM (This post was last modified: 22-08-2015 12:04 PM by TheBeardedDude.)
Absence of evidence
(22-08-2015 11:54 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:47 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Yes, you are the only one seeing a problem.

No evidence of a concept/claim, means no possibility or plausibility.

Otherwise, fairies are as equally likely to exist as an as of yet undiscovered fish in the deep sea. Which is bullshit. We know of other deep sea fish, so an unknown species of dee sea fish is plausible. Fairies have no evidence of plausibility, they are indistinguishable from fiction, because they are fiction.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...y-science/

These things were once thought impossible. It is a mistake to believe that because something has not been proven to be possible, that it must be impossible. If you like having false beliefs and being wrong a lot, have at it.

You're so fucking dense, I'm going to start calling you depleted uranium. (or a black hole)

Probability and possibility are based on evidence. So yes, anything is impossible to exist until evidence shows it is probable.

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