According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
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27-06-2013, 07:53 AM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
(27-06-2013 07:50 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 07:47 AM)I and I Wrote:  Anti Israeli government? Anti Israeli food? Anti Israeli shopping malls? How are they anti-Israeli? And is being against a government a crime?

I don't know, I and I. I can't with absolute certainty tell you someone else's opinion. Perhaps you should read the article in which the line was given? That might tell you.

Perhaps you should read that list of fascist statements made by fascist Israeli leaders.

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27-06-2013, 01:10 PM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
I and I, I must point out that anti-Palestinian quotes from Israeli officials do not make the government of Israel fascist. They may indicate the ethnically biased nature of the government and expose some of the rationales they use to justify the governments actions. They do not make the government fascist.

I make this statement from the position of someone who uses the term fascist a little to easily myself.
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27-06-2013, 01:22 PM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
(27-06-2013 01:10 PM)JAH Wrote:  I and I, I must point out that anti-Palestinian quotes from Israeli officials do not make the government of Israel fascist. They may indicate the ethnically biased nature of the government and expose some of the rationales they use to justify the governments actions. They do not make the government fascist.

I make this statement from the position of someone who uses the term fascist a little to easily myself.

That, and the fact that most of those statements are from people who are not government officials, or who are dead.

There is much to hate with regards to Israeli policy, but it must also be acknowledged that many Isrealis themselves hate many aspects of their government's policy. Due to the nature of the Knesset (more or less direct proportional representation), far right political groups can usually hold the balance of power, and therefore have much more influence than their low numbers might otherwise indicate.

And the fact that Zionist settlers try their hardest to put the military in a position where it must either step off and let them die or plunge in and kill many others to 'save' them. They've usually gone with the latter when pushed far enough.

Oh, and the fact that people have no control over where they're born, and that guilt is not inherited.
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27-06-2013, 01:24 PM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
This in no way fits in world news.
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27-06-2013, 01:32 PM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
(27-06-2013 01:24 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  This in no way fits in world news.

Is there a personal attack sub-forum? I think thats where this best fits.

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27-06-2013, 01:35 PM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
(27-06-2013 01:32 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 01:24 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  This in no way fits in world news.

Is there a personal attack sub-forum? I think thats where this best fits.

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27-06-2013, 01:50 PM
According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
A personal attack from several media outlets against an author for her political views is what the post was about.
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27-06-2013, 01:53 PM
According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
(27-06-2013 01:22 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 01:10 PM)JAH Wrote:  I and I, I must point out that anti-Palestinian quotes from Israeli officials do not make the government of Israel fascist. They may indicate the ethnically biased nature of the government and expose some of the rationales they use to justify the governments actions. They do not make the government fascist.

I make this statement from the position of someone who uses the term fascist a little to easily myself.

That, and the fact that most of those statements are from people who are not government officials, or who are dead.

There is much to hate with regards to Israeli policy, but it must also be acknowledged that many Isrealis themselves hate many aspects of their government's policy. Due to the nature of the Knesset (more or less direct proportional representation), far right political groups can usually hold the balance of power, and therefore have much more influence than their low numbers might otherwise indicate.

And the fact that Zionist settlers try their hardest to put the military in a position where it must either step off and let them die or plunge in and kill many others to 'save' them. They've usually gone with the latter when pushed far enough.

Oh, and the fact that people have no control over where they're born, and that guilt is not inherited.

So we agree on the Israeli government. Who elects them into power I wonder? Have you seen polls taken of Israelis on their thoughts on Palestinians?
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27-06-2013, 02:10 PM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
(27-06-2013 01:53 PM)I and I Wrote:  So we agree on the Israeli government. Who elects them into power I wonder? Have you seen polls taken of Israelis on their thoughts on Palestinians?

I don't have any polls at hand, and don't recall seeing any on specific issues, but there was a fair bit of polling before January's election, which you can probably find as easily as I could at this point. That at least would give a general impression of people's views.

As for said election, ultra-Zionist and ultra-orthodox (which despite the overlap are not the same and can't always be lumped together) parties combined for about 25% of the vote. Those groups typically have extremely high turnout.

Nearly 20% of votes were for some variety of Socialist.

If Israeli Arabs (~20% of the country) voted in anywhere near the same proportion (Israeli Arab turnout is currently somewhere south of 50%) then between them and the Socialists (who are almost all supporters of unilateral drawback) would represent a much bigger constituency than the jerkwads on the far right. Unfortunately they're in a rut of self-defeating cynicism (they're not well-represented because they're not courted by parties because they don't vote because they're not well-represented etc) and that hasn't happened.

The Knesset runs on straight nation-wide proportional representation, with 120 seats and a 2% threshold for representation, so small parties can, ironically, be disproportionately influential.
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27-06-2013, 02:33 PM
RE: According to poster Likos this isn't fascism.
(27-06-2013 02:10 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 01:53 PM)I and I Wrote:  So we agree on the Israeli government. Who elects them into power I wonder? Have you seen polls taken of Israelis on their thoughts on Palestinians?

I don't have any polls at hand, and don't recall seeing any on specific issues, but there was a fair bit of polling before January's election, which you can probably find as easily as I could at this point. That at least would give a general impression of people's views.

As for said election, ultra-Zionist and ultra-orthodox (which despite the overlap are not the same and can't always be lumped together) parties combined for about 25% of the vote. Those groups typically have extremely high turnout.

Nearly 20% of votes were for some variety of Socialist.


If Israeli Arabs (~20% of the country) voted in anywhere near the same proportion (Israeli Arab turnout is currently somewhere south of 50%) then between them and the Socialists (who are almost all supporters of unilateral drawback) would represent a much bigger constituency than the jerkwads on the far right. Unfortunately they're in a rut of self-defeating cynicism (they're not well-represented because they're not courted by parties because they don't vote because they're not well-represented etc) and that hasn't happened.

The Knesset runs on straight nation-wide proportional representation, with 120 seats and a 2% threshold for representation, so small parties can, ironically, be disproportionately influential.

One can easily compare a transcript of this video to views by white people towards black people in the american south in the 60's. But it's more accepted when Israelis behave that way.

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