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31-12-2014, 12:01 PM
Acupuncture: Real or Fake
I'm guessing fake. Anyone know for sure/ have any good sources?

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31-12-2014, 12:18 PM
RE: Acupuncture: Real or Fake
(31-12-2014 12:01 PM)smileXsmileXsmile Wrote:  I'm guessing fake. Anyone know for sure/ have any good sources?

All double blind studies have shown no statistical difference from placebo and it has a higher risk than sugar pills. So yeah fake.

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31-12-2014, 01:20 PM (This post was last modified: 31-12-2014 01:39 PM by Machaon.)
RE: Acupuncture: Real or Fake
My wife and I have had great results from acupuncture. It works great when performed by competent, well-trained acupuncturists.

In fact, I was so impressed by the results that I purchased my own acupuncture "stimulator", which can be used with needles or stick-on, electronic stimulators. I have had some limited success with using my own acupuncture stimulator, but, then again, I am not a competent acupuncturist.

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31-12-2014, 01:43 PM
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It's a poorly worded question.

Acupuncture is real, however, the evidence for its efficacy is patchy at best.

The risks are much better established.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/1...0220100319 - not the article I was looking for, but having someone named Woo discuss the dangers of a popular form of alternative medicine was too good to pass up.

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31-12-2014, 02:01 PM
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Acupuncture is wonderful "medicine". First of all, it does not require the patient to take medications that come with all kinds of nasty side effects. It does not require surgery. It is performed on a out-patient basis.

If performed scientifically, it can provide permanent, or long lasting relief for all kinds of ailments, especially for those dealing with pain.

Unfortunately there are a lot of ineffective or incompetent acupuncturists, just as there are a lot of ineffective or incompetent doctors or specialists.

There are specific, very exact acupuncture points that form exact acupuncture meridians, or pathways, on the surface of the body, of which, when treated, can cause generally expected results.

As I posted, both my wife and I have had great success being treated with acupuncture. My wife was treated at a University of Miami medical center over 40 years ago, and her acupuncture "cure" is still valid. It basically saved her from a life of nasty, debilitating pain.

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31-12-2014, 02:01 PM
RE: Acupuncture: Real or Fake
(31-12-2014 01:43 PM)Can_of_Beans Wrote:  It's a poorly worded question.

Acupuncture is real, however, the evidence for its efficacy is patchy at best.

The risks are much better established.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/1...0220100319 - not the article I was looking for, but having someone named Woo discuss the dangers of a popular form of alternative medicine was too good to pass up.



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31-12-2014, 02:08 PM (This post was last modified: 01-01-2015 02:01 PM by Free Thought.)
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The NHS has an article on the subject claiming that acupuncture is reasonably effective on conditions like lower back pain, migraines and tension headaches, while also noting that the evidence is inconsistent thanks to 'difficulty testing'.

Science Based Medicine has concluded that it doesn't work at all.

The Skeptic's Dictionary has a fairly in depth and wide article on the subject.

I don't particularly find the evidence for acupuncture convincing; I figure it probably is placebo doing all the work, given the effectiveness of fake acupuncture relative to the 'real' procedure.
But, I'm no doctor, nor scientician.

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31-12-2014, 02:41 PM
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(31-12-2014 02:01 PM)Machaon Wrote:  Acupuncture is wonderful "medicine".

How is it supposed to work? I can understand that stimulating nerve endings might cause some changes in brain chemistry or might just serve as a distraction but I don't see how either effect would be expected to last very long. All I find searching is obvious woo regarding chi and unsubstantiated claims.

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31-12-2014, 03:39 PM (This post was last modified: 31-12-2014 03:42 PM by smileXsmileXsmile.)
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@Free Thought:
As I continued researching, I saw the "Science Based Medicine" article. It's all placebo. Which shit I mean if placebo works, cool ...i guess lol

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/acup...esnt-work/

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31-12-2014, 03:46 PM
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Self-delusion.

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