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28-11-2012, 05:23 AM
Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
Or not.

So I've always thought of myself staying in acadaemia. I like research, I like the University work environment, I like writing and I am not bad at it. I can make my very boring research sound interesting, and that's half the battle of acadaemia. However, I am currently nearing the end of my contract here. I'm writing up the last bits and bobs, probably getting another paper out of the rest of my work, and then I'm free. I can look for another research position, probably even get my own grants for my own projects, but I'm not sure that is what I want any more. I can move to industry, get a 9-5 job, make more money and make less of an effort and put in less time. I will not have to work 60 hours a week and even more on days leading up to a journal or conference deadline. I will not have to tutor useless undergrads just to make ends meet. I will have more time for hobbies and for exercise. More money for these hobbies.

I always saw myself as a professor, one day, but the more I look into it the less realistic that seems. There aren't enough professorships to go around, and to even get to the point where I'm eligible to be an assistant professor, I will have to go through probably another 10 years of this. I like this, but I don't think I can handle the stress any more. For example, everyone's preparing for holidays and I'm just worried how I am going to find time to visit family in between writing my next report.

My boyfriend thinks I'm just burnt out and need time off, a few months break and I'll be back into it. But what I like about this forum is that when people ask questions, there's a whole range of answers from a whole range of experiences. I'm looking for some advice, any kind of advice, but really I just want to talk about it to people who haven't already made up their mind that acadaemia is the only way forward.
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28-11-2012, 05:43 AM
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How did your conference presentation go?

Did you enjoy standing in front of many people expounding your wisdom?

Are you a specialist in your field?

Is there demand for what you know?

Private training is good money, lots of travel, fame and glory.

Interested?

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28-11-2012, 05:43 AM
Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
My sage advice is to do both.


Just maybe not all at the same time. Gain experience (and cash, of course) out in the big bad world, then later on do an adjunct professorship to transition into ending your working years as a prof.

Simple, eh?

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28-11-2012, 05:50 AM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2012 05:54 AM by Vera.)
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
Smoosh (may I call you smoosh?Wink), I don't know how qualified I am to give advice (esp. since you don't even know me), but here's my perspective on it. I think what it all boils down to is how much you like/love being in acadaemia. Can you see yourself doing this for 10,20,30 more years? And on the other hand - can you see yourself leaving it for good?

I too, have grown tired of what I was doing, and a break sometimes have made me miss it and go back to it. But with other jobs, leaving them made me feel free and ever so grateful I'm no longer doing this (and that was a job I actually loved, yet when I'd think of myself doing the same ten years from then, the thought would make me shudder... which is how I knew I had to leave).

Also, if you're not used to the 9-to-5 type of job, it may be difficult to get used to it. Hey, I've been out of it for a relatively short while, but even so the mere thought of having to go to work at a certain hour, every day and deal with office atmosphere, still gives me the creeps. (but that may just be me).
And then again, if the stress of being in acadaemia is too much, a nine to five may be preferable.

And last, but not least, I think it also depends on how you view your job/career - as a calling of sorts or just a means to an end (doing what you love). For me, personally (and that varies from person to person), it is the latter, so after trying several things, I've settled down into something that I enjoy, can see myself doing for a long time, doesn't stress me out but also is not too routine and gives me the freedom to do the things I enjoy.


Not worth much, but those were my two cents. Deciding on a change of career is never easy and can be a pain in the behind (not matter what you decide). Hope you figure it out.

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28-11-2012, 05:51 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
(28-11-2012 05:43 AM)DLJ Wrote:  How did your conference presentation go?

Did you enjoy standing in front of many people expounding your wisdom?

Are you a specialist in your field?

Is there demand for what you know?

Private training is good money, lots of travel, fame and glory.

Interested?
The conference is next week, but I usually love that part of the job. I love travelling for conferences and explaining my work to people from all over the world who seem genuinely interested in what I'm doing, and ask questions and make suggestions.

I think I count as a specialist, and there's definitely a high demand for my field. I kind of went into it knowing it was a good compromise between what I wanted to do and what there was reasonable demand for.

I like good money and fame and glory. I'm getting sick of the travel part but I'm probably just feeling that way now. This time of year is always travel-heavy and tiring.

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28-11-2012, 05:54 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
(28-11-2012 05:43 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  My sage advice is to do both.


Just maybe not all at the same time. Gain experience (and cash, of course) out in the big bad world, then later on do an adjunct professorship to transition into ending your working years as a prof.

Simple, eh?
This is what I was considering. Take a couple of years off and go into industry. Then go back to acadaemia. I just don't think I have enough years to do both. Getting a professorship is basically a race to get a bazillion publications. Maybe I'm just feeling today Tongue

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28-11-2012, 05:55 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
(28-11-2012 05:51 AM)Smooshmonster Wrote:  
(28-11-2012 05:43 AM)DLJ Wrote:  How did your conference presentation go?

Did you enjoy standing in front of many people expounding your wisdom?

Are you a specialist in your field?

Is there demand for what you know?

Private training is good money, lots of travel, fame and glory.

Interested?
The conference is next week, but I usually love that part of the job. I love travelling for conferences and explaining my work to people from all over the world who seem genuinely interested in what I'm doing, and ask questions and make suggestions.

I think I count as a specialist, and there's definitely a high demand for my field. I kind of went into it knowing it was a good compromise between what I wanted to do and what there was reasonable demand for.

I like good money and fame and glory. I'm getting sick of the travel part but I'm probably just feeling that way now. This time of year is always travel-heavy and tiring.

What is the title of your presentation?

How much do you charge?

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28-11-2012, 05:58 AM
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(28-11-2012 05:50 AM)Vera Wrote:  Smoosh (may I call you smoosh?Wink), I don't know how qualified I am to give advice (esp. since you don't even know me), but here's my perspective on it. I think what it all boils down to is how much you like/love being in acadaemia. Can you see yourself doing this for 10,20,30 more years? And on the other hand - can you see you yourself leaving it for good?

I too, have grown tired of what I was doing, and a break sometimes have made me miss it and go back to it. But with other jobs, leaving them made me feel free and ever so grateful I'm no longer doing this (and that was a job I actually loved, yet when I'd think of myself doing the same ten years from then, the thought would make me shudder... which is how I knew I had to leave).

Also, if you're not used to the 9-to-5 type of job, it may be difficult to get used to it. Hey, I've been out of it for a relatively short while, but even so the mere thought of having to go to work at a certain hour, every day and deal with office atmosphere, still gives me the creeps. (but that may just be me).
And then again, if the stress of being in acadaemia is too much, a nine to five may be preferable.

And last, but not least, I think it also depends on how you view your job/career - as a calling of sorts or just a means to an end (doing what you love). For me, personally (and that varies from person to person), it is the latter, so after trying several things, I've settled down into something that I enjoy, can see myself doing for a long time, doesn't stress me out but also is not too routine and gives me the freedom to do the things I enjoy.


Not worth much, but those were my two cents. Deciding on a change of career is never easy and can be a pain in the behind (not matter what you decide). Hope you figure it out.
lol, you may call me smoosh. And I'm looking for all kinds of advice. Yours is actually something I did not consider, so thanks for pointing it out. I think I view my career as a calling. I wouldn't want to do something that's just a means to an end. It's something that I spend most of my day doing. I don't want to be at a job where I'm just counting the hours to go home. At least, that's how I've felt up until now. I might feel differently once I've done it for a while. I'm actually considering a 6-month internship with a company somewhere, like Symantec or Google, to try it out and see if I could stand doing it for the rest of my life.

Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate all the advice.

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28-11-2012, 06:00 AM
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(28-11-2012 05:55 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(28-11-2012 05:51 AM)Smooshmonster Wrote:  The conference is next week, but I usually love that part of the job. I love travelling for conferences and explaining my work to people from all over the world who seem genuinely interested in what I'm doing, and ask questions and make suggestions.

I think I count as a specialist, and there's definitely a high demand for my field. I kind of went into it knowing it was a good compromise between what I wanted to do and what there was reasonable demand for.

I like good money and fame and glory. I'm getting sick of the travel part but I'm probably just feeling that way now. This time of year is always travel-heavy and tiring.

What is the title of your presentation?

How much do you charge?
This one is: An Evaluation of Post-Editing Systems for RBMT and SMT

I don't charge though. I just get my travel expenses covered, and I get published with a scientific journal for it, which is the important part.

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28-11-2012, 06:19 AM
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(28-11-2012 06:00 AM)Smooshmonster Wrote:  
(28-11-2012 05:55 AM)DLJ Wrote:  What is the title of your presentation?

How much do you charge?
This one is: An Evaluation of Post-Editing Systems for RBMT and SMT

I don't charge though. I just get my travel expenses covered, and I get published with a scientific journal for it, which is the important part.

Thanks.

I've just read your paper.

A tad specialist.

What's the human angle?

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