Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
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28-11-2012, 06:34 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
When you work for money, people tend to think they own you. It seems you might have too much emotional investment to be comfortable in such an environment.

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28-11-2012, 07:23 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
Smoosh, I am in the software/systems business world and I long for the peace and ease of academe. Consider

I don't think that stress-relief should enter your decision-making because it will be no less stressful.
The business world is very competitive and one has to deal with all kinds of people, rigid hierarchies, unrealistic expectations, unrealizable schedules, ridiculously inefficient 'policies and procedures', and truly evil people. Sound familiar?

If your goal really is a professorship, then a single-minded effort to get to it may be your best path.

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28-11-2012, 09:57 AM
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Can you get a sabbatical and dip your toe into new waters without losing your job?

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28-11-2012, 10:24 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
Some people in this world are lucky enough, or smart enough (probably a bit of both, actually) to find the niche that makes them truly happy. For those people, it's usually not about the money or the hours they work. It's about doing what they love to do. Once they find that niche, they look forward to their days at their career, happily working whatever hours it takes because they love what they're doing.

Most people don't find that niche. Most of us trudge along in some "job" that we don't truly love, but it pays the bills. Many of us settle for larger paychecks at the expense of doing a "job" that we don't love. We appreciate what the money can buy and enjoy that in the hours we're not stuck in that "job" that we don't truly love. We don't look forward to the time at work. Instead we tolerate it because it's a necessary part of our lives.


If you truly love the academia, if you will eventually truly love being a professor, then you really should do that. You'll be one of those lucky/smart happy people I described above. But if that is what you love, then running off to industry will get you the necessary paycheck at the expense of having an unloved "job" that you tolerate because it's necessary.

If I could, I'd be in the first group. But I'm not. My job is OK, I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. I can't figure out how to get into that first group with my skills, my knowledge, and my connections.

But reading your post it seems like you can. You seem to know what will make you happy. Right now it's a lot of work to get there. You're struggling because it's a long and tedious road, but it seems like you know the goal will be worth it.

Maybe that's wrong. Maybe the professorship won't make you truly happy. In that case, putting in all the time and effort to get a professor "job" that you don't love would probably be a mistake. Heck, if you're not going to love what you do, then why take the hard road to get to a "job" when you could take an easier road to a better paying and less difficult "job" - if both jobs give you the same emotional rewards, then take the one with the better non-emotional rewards.

In short, figure out if getting that professorship would put you in that first group of happy people. If it will, then don't let anything, including yourself, stop you from getting it.

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28-11-2012, 10:29 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
DLJ: It improves translation software by combining different translation systems. It's relevant to most companies that use automatic translation software. It's very specialised, which is kind of what worries me.

Chas: It's strange how relieved I am to hear that. Part of me is thinking that going to industry will allow me to take it easy and enjoy the other aspects of my life. But as you say that is not the case, maybe it's best to stay where I am. At least I like what i'm doing here.

Dom: I am nearing the end of my contract. I could, in theory, dip my toes in the industry waters. I don't know how difficult it would be to get back into acadaemia from there. But there are many who have done it.

HoC: I think you might be right. But I'm not sure they don't own my soul already.

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28-11-2012, 11:23 AM
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I spent a long time in academia and just got into industry last year. It was an eye opener.

In industry there's different priorities. I'll tell you what, it changes your perspective when you *have* to make something work. Industry is *applied*. All that theory, all that dry dusty shit suddenly means something, and it means you're gonna meet your deadline or that you're fucked.

I think everyone who teaches should spend some time in industry, because industry is where *what* you're teaching is used. Otherwise you're just teaching for it's own sake...
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28-11-2012, 11:53 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
I just want to back up a bit and clarify...when you say "industry" you're referring to the porn industry, right? Blush

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28-11-2012, 11:53 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
(28-11-2012 10:29 AM)Smooshmonster Wrote:  Dom: I am nearing the end of my contract. I could, in theory, dip my toes in the industry waters. I don't know how difficult it would be to get back into acadaemia from there. But there are many who have done it.


Then I would dip. If one doesn't take risks in life, one never gets to find out things that may change it for the better.

Translations, huh? That is a very hard thing to do right. I am hesitant to offer any customers the use of translation software, because I don't want to be responsible for the misunderstandings.

I do use online translations for myself, but I know to take it with a grain of salt and look for possible idioms that mess things up...

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30-11-2012, 03:32 AM
RE: Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
Dom: Online translation isn't perfect, but it really gives reduces the amount of resources you need to pay a translator. Instead of having to pay them to translate a document, you're basically paying them to post-edit it, which takes a lot less. Also, when I was in China I got by on google translate Tongue

morondog: Thanks, I'm starting to be more and more convinced that even though I know I want to end up in acadaemia, it might not be a bad idea to try industry for a few months. If anything it will make me appreciate the stress-free life of acadaemia more.

Aseptic Skeptic: Thanks for the reply. I do think I've been very lucky. I've known what I wanted for years and I have the capacity to do it. I got some lucky breaks and that's how I'm here now. But I also worry about ending up like that guy from Scrubs who spent all his life trying to get his JD that he never had a chance to stop and enjoy life.

Erxomai: Who have you been talking to Confused

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30-11-2012, 04:14 PM
Advice Needed: To run screaming for industry
I just thought maybe I recognized some of your previous work.

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