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11-10-2014, 02:25 PM
Advice for joining the Navy
A very good friend of mine is in her first year of dental school. She has been talking to a Navy recruiter and the picture the Navy paints is very attractive. But I have brothers who went through some horrible times when the Navy promised one thing and did an about face on those promises many years ago.

Has anyone here been in the Navy recently and specifically as a corpman or even in dentistry? What questions would you ask? What guarantees can you expect?

Anyone a civilian dentist and have advice?

Thanks,

FC

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11-10-2014, 02:54 PM
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The military will tell you what they need to tell you to get you in then you do what you are told. Same for all the branches. My youngest brother was in the Air Force. It took him less than his enlistment term to get fed up with it.
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11-10-2014, 03:14 PM
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My brother was a corpsman, but that was 20 yrs ago. He had a great time and is a paramedic now.

My dentist was on the Navy program, he also loved it.


Just make sure she gets what she wants in writing. if its not in writing on official documents ( orders) it doesnt count.

recruiters can be very sneaky.


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11-10-2014, 03:20 PM
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Your friend needs to find out how long a commitment is required for the Navy to pay for the rest of the schooling.

One of the best Army doctors I dealt with was a young woman who joined up with the agreement that for X amount of years they would pay off her med school debt.

Best dental work I ever had done was an Army dentist. He fixed a tooth I had chipped as a kid. I was in my early 30s when he fixed it. He said it would probably last about 5 years - that was around 1990 and it's still there and looks great.

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11-10-2014, 03:35 PM
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Good stuff guys, all help appreciated.

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11-10-2014, 03:38 PM
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Be sure to factor into those years of education/payoff the fact that your friend could end up in a war zone or other unpleasant area.

One plus is officer status for the highly educated but that also means going through officer training.

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13-10-2014, 10:01 AM
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I did 6 years in Uncle Sam's yacht club. I will give a good answer to this thread this evening when I have a little more time.
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13-10-2014, 10:36 AM (This post was last modified: 14-10-2014 03:48 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Advice for joining the Navy
(11-10-2014 02:25 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  A very good friend of mine is in her first year of dental school. She has been talking to a Navy recruiter and the picture the Navy paints is very attractive. But I have brothers who went through some horrible times when the Navy promised one thing and did an about face on those promises many years ago.

Has anyone here been in the Navy recently and specifically as a corpman or even in dentistry? What questions would you ask? What guarantees can you expect?

Anyone a civilian dentist and have advice?

Thanks,

FC

I have been in the Navy now 28.5 years, active duty. Is your friend wanting to be a HM (corpsman, dental field) or going in via the direct commission route as a dentist?

What other options do they have? Are they wanting to enter so it can pay for their college (post 9/11 GI bill benefits) or pay for college debt already incurred? (navy has a program where you sign up for x years and they pay off your college debt) etc etc. There is good and bad in everything, depends on what their incentive is to join, what they wish to gain from it etc.

I was 17 yo, high school drop out, "too cool for school" or so I thought.

Joined the navy as a high school drop out. In the last 28 .5 years I have been promoted 10 times, earned a performance based officer commission, been on 9 deployments, 7 different ships, 3 shore commands, been around the world literally (world cruise 1988) been in every country, australia, romania, germany, spain, turkey the list goes forever...amazing experiences, invaluable world and life exposure to different cultures and foods and places and such.

I did do three tours in Iraq, but that is because of my field, I am a force protection specialist, ordnance specialist and missile fire control officer, so it isn't a surprise I was selected to go.

Speaking of teeth and benefits of service, I was born with amelogenesis imperfecta. The navy has spent over $250k fixing my mouth. They did a full reconstruction using herculite in 1994, then a full crown rehab a couple of years ago. I also recently had the worse case of obstructive sleep apnea they had ever seen. They did a 7 hour surgery called maxillomandibular advancement as well as a genioplasty. This broke my upper jaw and lower jaw, moved it forward about 1/3 of an inch, which opened my air way up, cut off my chin and moved it forward 1/3 of an inch, filling in the gaps with cadaver bone and held together with 15 titanium bars/plates and 30 titanium screws. They also while in there ripping me apart removed all the cartilage in my inner face to assist in air flow. The good news is I breathe amazingly well now and have zero sleep apnea, the bad news is there is some residual numbness. Cost? about $150k for this life saving surgery, and it didnt cost me a dime.

I am going to school full time, free of charge, each master's degree class costs about $1500, and they pick up the tab.

I make over $126k a year.

My retirement in a year and a half will be 75% of my base pay for life, payable monthly starting immediately, as well as being 100% disabled by VA and they will pay me an additional $20k a year for life. This adds up to just over $100k a year for life in retirement benefits, and because i am 100% disabled but employable, my kids will get to go to college for free as well, and then I will roll right into a high 5/low 6 figure government related job the second I retire.

I am in no way bragging, for it is nothing to brag about, it is my attempt to be transparent and show that the military isn't the horrible place people always think, it isn't the 'low paying job for those who can't make it in the real world" either. An E5 (can be promoted to that in 2-3 years of service) makes $55k a year, plus full benefits, and free college upon getting out. Oh, I got my high school diploma while in the navy, 2 bachelors and now working on my masters. Like everything else in life, it is what you make of it. If you have any questions, please let me know.

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13-10-2014, 10:44 AM
RE: Advice for joining the Navy
(13-10-2014 10:36 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 02:25 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  A very good friend of mine is in her first year of dental school. She has been talking to a Navy recruiter and the picture the Navy paints is very attractive. But I have brothers who went through some horrible times when the Navy promised one thing and did an about face on those promises many years ago.

Has anyone here been in the Navy recently and specifically as a corpman or even in dentistry? What questions would you ask? What guarantees can you expect?

Anyone a civilian dentist and have advice?

Thanks,

FC

I have been in the Navy now 28.5 years, active duty. Is your friend wanting to be a HM (corpsman, dental field) or going in via the direct commission route as a dentist?

What other options do they have? Are they wanting to enter so it can pay for their college (post 9/11 GI bill benefits) or pay for college debt already incurred? (navy has a program where you sign up for x years and they pay off your college debt) etc etc. There is good and bad in everything, depends on what their incentive is to join, what they wish to gain from it etc.

I was 17 yo, high school drop out, "too cool for school" or so I thought.

Joined the navy as a high school drop out. In the last 28 .5 years I have been promoted 10 times, earned a performance based officer commission, been on 9 deployments, 7 different ships, 3 shore commands, been around the world literally (world cruise 1988) been in every country, australia, romania, germany, spain, turkey the list goes forever...amazing experiences, invaluable world and life exposure to different cultures and foods and places and such.

I did do three tours in Iraq, but that is because of my field, I am a force protection specialist, ordnance specialist and missile fire control officer, so it isn't a surprise I was selected to go.

Speaking of teeth and benefits of service, I was born with amelogenesis imperfecta. The navy has spent over $250k fixing my mouth. They did a full reconstruction using herculite in 1994, then a full crown rehab a couple of years ago. I also recently had the worse case of obstructive sleep apnea they had ever seen. They did a 7 hour surgery called maxillomandibular advancement as well as a genioplasty. This broke my upper jaw and lower jaw, moved it forward about 1/3 of an inch, which opened my air way up, cut off my chin and moved it forward 1/3 of an inch, filling in the gaps with cadaver bone and held together with 15 titanium bars/plates and 30 titanium screws. They also while in there ripping me apart removed all the cartilage in my inner face to assist in air flow. The good news is I breathe amazingly well now and have zero sleep apnea, the bad news is there is some residual numbness. Cost? about $150k for this life saving surgery, and it didnt cost me a dime.

I am going to school full time, free of charge, each master's degree class costs about $1500, and they pick up the tab.

I make over $126k a year.

My retirement in a year and a half will be 75% of my base pay for life, payable monthly starting immediately, as well as being 100% disabled by VA and they will pay me an additional $20k a year for life. This adds up to just over $100k a year for life in retirement benefits, and because i am 100% disabled but employable, my kids will get to go to college for free as well, and then I will roll right into a 6 figure government related job the second I retire.

I am in no way bragging, for it is nothing to brag about, it is my attempt to be transparent and show that the military isn't the horrible place people always think, it isn't the 'low paying job for those who can't make it in the real world" either. An E5 (can be promoted to that in 2-3 years of service) makes $55k a year, plus full benefits, and free college upon getting out. Oh, I got my high school diploma while in the navy, 2 bachelors and now working on my masters. Like everything else in life, it is what you make of it. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Nice to know my taxes go for something good. Angry

Seriously, congrats on all your accomplishments!

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14-10-2014, 03:44 PM
RE: Advice for joining the Navy
(13-10-2014 10:44 AM)Thinkerbelle Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 10:36 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I have been in the Navy now 28.5 years, active duty. Is your friend wanting to be a HM (corpsman, dental field) or going in via the direct commission route as a dentist?

What other options do they have? Are they wanting to enter so it can pay for their college (post 9/11 GI bill benefits) or pay for college debt already incurred? (navy has a program where you sign up for x years and they pay off your college debt) etc etc. There is good and bad in everything, depends on what their incentive is to join, what they wish to gain from it etc.

I was 17 yo, high school drop out, "too cool for school" or so I thought.

Joined the navy as a high school drop out. In the last 28 .5 years I have been promoted 10 times, earned a performance based officer commission, been on 9 deployments, 7 different ships, 3 shore commands, been around the world literally (world cruise 1988) been in every country, australia, romania, germany, spain, turkey the list goes forever...amazing experiences, invaluable world and life exposure to different cultures and foods and places and such.

I did do three tours in Iraq, but that is because of my field, I am a force protection specialist, ordnance specialist and missile fire control officer, so it isn't a surprise I was selected to go.

Speaking of teeth and benefits of service, I was born with amelogenesis imperfecta. The navy has spent over $250k fixing my mouth. They did a full reconstruction using herculite in 1994, then a full crown rehab a couple of years ago. I also recently had the worse case of obstructive sleep apnea they had ever seen. They did a 7 hour surgery called maxillomandibular advancement as well as a genioplasty. This broke my upper jaw and lower jaw, moved it forward about 1/3 of an inch, which opened my air way up, cut off my chin and moved it forward 1/3 of an inch, filling in the gaps with cadaver bone and held together with 15 titanium bars/plates and 30 titanium screws. They also while in there ripping me apart removed all the cartilage in my inner face to assist in air flow. The good news is I breathe amazingly well now and have zero sleep apnea, the bad news is there is some residual numbness. Cost? about $150k for this life saving surgery, and it didnt cost me a dime.

I am going to school full time, free of charge, each master's degree class costs about $1500, and they pick up the tab.

I make over $126k a year.

My retirement in a year and a half will be 75% of my base pay for life, payable monthly starting immediately, as well as being 100% disabled by VA and they will pay me an additional $20k a year for life. This adds up to just over $100k a year for life in retirement benefits, and because i am 100% disabled but employable, my kids will get to go to college for free as well, and then I will roll right into a 6 figure government related job the second I retire.

I am in no way bragging, for it is nothing to brag about, it is my attempt to be transparent and show that the military isn't the horrible place people always think, it isn't the 'low paying job for those who can't make it in the real world" either. An E5 (can be promoted to that in 2-3 years of service) makes $55k a year, plus full benefits, and free college upon getting out. Oh, I got my high school diploma while in the navy, 2 bachelors and now working on my masters. Like everything else in life, it is what you make of it. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Nice to know my taxes go for something good. Angry

Seriously, congrats on all your accomplishments!

Thank you ma'am Blush

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