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11-03-2016, 07:35 AM
After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
What a load of bullshit and hypocrisy. And the top of that garbage heap Trump using the word "civil" was vomit inducing. This is the asshole who called a vet a loser, called Mexicans rapists. Said at rallies "I'd like to punch him in the face" and "stretchers" and thinks the word "fuck" is an appropriate campaign word to use on twitter.

The GOP only has itself to blame for Trump's rise. And I also hope that those who have been assaulted by Trump's "passionate" fans sue Trump for inciting violence. The worst part is this same party will be the first to point out the calls for violence in the middle east but the GOP is slick, as long as you use dog whistle code language, you can call it "passion" and freedom.

Yes, you are seeing cuss words in this post. But these fuckwads don't understand the difference between selling fear and blasphemy. Nor do they understand that there are different rolls for the private citizen, private media, the free press, free speech, and the person in office. Blasphemy is needed to maintain a free society, but it is a public official's DUTY not just to those they voted for, but to everyone to protect the idea of the peaceful transfer of power. That concept can be very easily destroyed by selling fear and demagoguery.

There is a long term history going on here, that started with Falwell's push for more religion. I also think that the GOP has been bitter about Nixon ever since. But the hate and fear was coded 8 years ago, masked behind word like "patriotism" and "religion" and the gas got poured on the fire when Obama got elected. And that November, the day after he was elected, 2 and half months before he took his first oath, the GOP was screaming they'd make him a 1 term president.

And month after month and year after year the coded language got worse and worse and they really flipped out when Obama won the second time. Slowly they kept doubling down on the fear to the point they stopped coding it, and that is when Trump took over and simply stopped hiding it.

So now the GOP is scared and now they want civility? Ironic because that is what dems have wanted the entire time. Sorry GOP it is a little too late. You should have thought about that before you decided to act like schoolyard brats and bullies and obstructionists.

FUCK YOU! Maybe if you hadn't been dicks in the first place?

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11-03-2016, 08:10 AM
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
I remember Chuck Norris saying that if Obama got re-elected the US would be plunged into a thousand years of darkness. Now they want us to forget that shit and play nice?
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11-03-2016, 08:26 AM
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
(11-03-2016 08:10 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  I remember Chuck Norris saying that if Obama got re-elected the US would be plunged into a thousand years of darkness. Now they want us to forget that shit and play nice?

It's not that I want a civil war myself. But "A little too late" is saying you need to be dumped in the dust bin and left behind. I do hope the GOP pays dearly and looses the White House and as many seats in congress as possible.

Nope too late, we will not forget how you have treated us, and how you have scared society on social issues to divide us.

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11-03-2016, 08:49 AM
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
Hillary and Bernie made huge mistakes in the last debate. All that talk about using executive orders to let illegals stay here did not go over well with independents. I watched the live reaction results of their responses and only far left democrats agree with their immigration plans. The health line to the responses dropped down off the screen for independents and republicans, with only registered democrats staying level. Moderates and independents are sick of the immigration problem, the job losses etc. As these two try to out-progressive each other and move farther left in the process, they run the risk of pushing the swing states to the right. If they're going to win states like Florida (where they are sick of immigrants) and states like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia they're going to need win over the independents. They kept saying that people come here illegally because they love America and they should be allowed to stay. You don't win over states with a bad economy and hurting for jobs by saying we're going to keep letting more illegals come here and compete in the job market.

The democratic platform has become "free stuff." That works great to win over video game playing college kids (who probably won't get off the couch on election day anyway) but will not do anything for hard working Americans who don't want to pay more taxes or compete with immigrants for jobs.

I don't care what head to head polls say. I predict a republican blow out in November.

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11-03-2016, 09:33 AM
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
(11-03-2016 07:35 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  So now the GOP is scared and now they want civility? Ironic because that is what dems have wanted the entire time. Sorry GOP it is a little too late. You should have thought about that before you decided to act like schoolyard brats and bullies and obstructionists.

FUCK YOU! Maybe if you hadn't been dicks in the first place?

There's a difference between civility and asymmetrically capitulating them with their demands in place of compromise. I can give them civility while thinking of a more polite way to tell them to fuck off when they demand to be the only ones who gets to decide what game to play with the ball.
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11-03-2016, 10:13 AM
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
(11-03-2016 08:49 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Hillary and Bernie made huge mistakes in the last debate. All that talk about using executive orders to let illegals stay here did not go over well with independents. I watched the live reaction results of their responses and only far left democrats agree with their immigration plans. The health line to the responses dropped down off the screen for independents and republicans, with only registered democrats staying level. Moderates and independents are sick of the immigration problem, the job losses etc. As these two try to out-progressive each other and move farther left in the process, they run the risk of pushing the swing states to the right. If they're going to win states like Florida (where they are sick of immigrants) and states like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia they're going to need win over the independents. They kept saying that people come here illegally because they love America and they should be allowed to stay. You don't win over states with a bad economy and hurting for jobs by saying we're going to keep letting more illegals come here and compete in the job market.

The democratic platform has become "free stuff." That works great to win over video game playing college kids (who probably won't get off the couch on election day anyway) but will not do anything for hard working Americans who don't want to pay more taxes or compete with immigrants for jobs.

I don't care what head to head polls say. I predict a republican blow out in November.

You seriously overestimate the strength of a party on the verge of an irreparable split.

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11-03-2016, 11:00 AM (This post was last modified: 11-03-2016 11:11 AM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
(11-03-2016 10:13 AM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 08:49 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Hillary and Bernie made huge mistakes in the last debate. All that talk about using executive orders to let illegals stay here did not go over well with independents. I watched the live reaction results of their responses and only far left democrats agree with their immigration plans. The health line to the responses dropped down off the screen for independents and republicans, with only registered democrats staying level. Moderates and independents are sick of the immigration problem, the job losses etc. As these two try to out-progressive each other and move farther left in the process, they run the risk of pushing the swing states to the right. If they're going to win states like Florida (where they are sick of immigrants) and states like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia they're going to need win over the independents. They kept saying that people come here illegally because they love America and they should be allowed to stay. You don't win over states with a bad economy and hurting for jobs by saying we're going to keep letting more illegals come here and compete in the job market.

The democratic platform has become "free stuff." That works great to win over video game playing college kids (who probably won't get off the couch on election day anyway) but will not do anything for hard working Americans who don't want to pay more taxes or compete with immigrants for jobs.

I don't care what head to head polls say. I predict a republican blow out in November.

You seriously overestimate the strength of a party on the verge of an irreparable split.

The split won't matter if Trump is the nominee. The far right religious conservative nuts might stay home on election day. But I don't think it will matter. Trump has the ability to win independents and moderate republicans. He also did very well in Michigan among "Reagan Democrats." His support for planned parenthood and his stance on the economy and immigration will win crossover Democrats. If you look at the numbers, the turnout of democrats crossing over, changing parties to vote republican is off the charts. I don't believe that these are Democrats trying to get Trump elected because he's the easiest to beat. I think Trump is saying what the majority want to hear, even if they're scared to say it. The illegals need to go. The wall needs to be built. We need to stop our companies from moving overseas leaving Americans without jobs. We need to defeat ISIS at the source and prevent them from sneaking over here. Those issues speak to a majority of the country. Heard on CNN today 12 million voters have showed up to vote in the republican primary/caucuses and only 5 million on the Democrat side. Republicans are motivated, they're pulling the independents already, and they're stealing white, middle class Democrats.

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11-03-2016, 11:15 AM
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
The GOP platform has always been "free stuff" too, except it's for banks, Big Oil, Big Agriculture, Defense Contractors, etc. All Bernie is talking about is using taxes for their actual purpose, which is services and programs for the citizens.
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11-03-2016, 12:16 PM
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(11-03-2016 11:00 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 10:13 AM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  You seriously overestimate the strength of a party on the verge of an irreparable split.

The split won't matter if Trump is the nominee. The far right religious conservative nuts might stay home on election day. But I don't think it will matter. Trump has the ability to win independents and moderate republicans. He also did very well in Michigan among "Reagan Democrats." His support for planned parenthood and his stance on the economy and immigration will win crossover Democrats. If you look at the numbers, the turnout of democrats crossing over, changing parties to vote republican is off the charts. I don't believe that these are Democrats trying to get Trump elected because he's the easiest to beat. I think Trump is saying what the majority want to hear, even if they're scared to say it. The illegals need to go. The wall needs to be built. We need to stop our companies from moving overseas leaving Americans without jobs. We need to defeat ISIS at the source and prevent them from sneaking over here. Those issues speak to a majority of the country. Heard on CNN today 12 million voters have showed up to vote in the republican primary/caucuses and only 5 million on the Democrat side. Republicans are motivated, they're pulling the independents already, and they're stealing white, middle class Democrats.

Literally every point here is typical of the types of uniformed arguments I've been encountering all over the Internet. I'm not going to get into many of the details right now because I plan on making a huge post in the near future detailing the current state of the election and the shifting political landscape in America, but it's apparent to me that you are relying on faulty data points that not only misunderstand what are relevant variables in predicting general elections, but that you fail to grasp the characteristics that make for strong general election candidates. It's not just you that is prone to this, I've found that most people from all over the political spectrum are highly uniformed when it comes to psephology (scientific analysis of elections).

To address your post in broad points:

1. Primary turnout has no statistically significant correlation to general election turnout for either party. It's an incredibly weak indicator for determining who will do better in a general election. Primary turnout is more closely linked to competitive, multicandidate fields which excites the most partisan of the base into voting.

2. Yes the split will matter. Fractured parties performed dismally during the handful of times they've splintered during election years, the elections of 1852, 1912, and 1968 being prominent examples.

3. Much as the way that Bernie stumpers rely on fantasy math to passionately defend his chances of clinching the nomination, your insistence that his appeal to Reagan Democrats and working class moderates will compensate for his losses is unicorn thinking. For every voter Trump gains in that demographic, he loses two elsewhere. His net favorability ratings among the broader electorate are stunningly atrocious. I believe the last time I checked he was at -39, which is the most unpopular of any election candidate ever by a yuuuuuge margin, while Hilarly Clinton is only at -13. Plus, a Gallup poll found that as a whole group, Trump's net favorability with independents was -27, hardly crossover appeal.

I'm not saying he couldn't win, this has been a batshit insane election year, but your optism over his chances are reliant on uninformed arguments that require a magnification of statistically irrelevant variables and naivety on both the harm of running on a fractured political platform and his monumental challenge in appealing to a broader electorate.

I'll be addressing these points more in depth as part of my 2016 election thread.

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11-03-2016, 12:19 PM
RE: After 8 years of selling fear GOP wants "civil"?
(11-03-2016 08:10 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  I remember Chuck Norris saying that if Obama got re-elected the US would be plunged into a thousand years of darkness. Now they want us to forget that shit and play nice?

They only mean play nice with each other.....they don't mean socialist, muslim, niggers from Kenya. For that they are still willing to be foaming-at-the-mouth mad dogs.

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