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10-01-2012, 12:17 PM
 
RE: Afterlife.
(10-01-2012 11:37 AM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  And the OT God is not the God I want to live with. If I had been born before Jesus came I don't know what I'd do. I absolutely cannot stand the OT version of God. But He is God and I don't understand all He does.

THen, pray tell, who do you expect to spend eternity with? Just JC? Did he vote god off the island? OR are you saying that God changed his ways after he had his 1st kid? See, you are now doing the KC New agy god thing. SO in essence your god could be your cat, for all we know.

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10-01-2012, 12:18 PM
RE: Afterlife.
Hey buddy, as a personal request, could you please format your responses to be a little friendlier on the eyes?

Use the quote tags [quote ] [/quote ] for the person you're responding to and then answer them below it or just bold your answers. It's kind of hard to tell where one response starts and the other ends.

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10-01-2012, 12:22 PM
 
RE: Afterlife.
(10-01-2012 12:18 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hey buddy, as a personal request, could you please format your responses to be a little friendlier on the eyes?

Use the quote tags [quote ] [/quote ] for the person you're responding to and then answer them below it or just bold your answers. It's kind of hard to tell where one response starts and the other ends.

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10-01-2012, 12:23 PM
RE: Afterlife.
(10-01-2012 11:27 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Not sure if this has already been said but here goes. As a paleontologist-in-training I don't think the meaning of life is all that complex or hard to figure out. As a matter of fact, I would contend that we all already know it. The purpose of life is to live, survive and reproduce. Think about it, if there were no purpose to life, organisms would not struggle against death. Surviving and reproducing are the basic motivators for living. We try to survive and become successful in order to attract the best mate. We want to reproduce so that a little piece of us continues to survive after our inevitable death and we want to survive as long as possible in order to help our offspring and their offspring survive. Even those individuals in human society today that do not find it necessary to mate and reproduce still attempt to pass part of themselves on to others through helping them. Life is about survival, both personal survival and the survival of our species. Our species is here and thriving because we have helped one another throughout time and the only way it will continue is if we continue to do so.

I agree the purpose of life is to live. However, I believe what we disagree on is motivation to live. What about ugly people or people that are single their whole life? Was their whole life a waste?? I don't think so.
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10-01-2012, 12:24 PM
RE: Afterlife.
I find looking forward to death significantly more...sad.


Atheists however focus on reality,and focus on making the most out of their life knowing it's only temporary and that after death,there's nothing.

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10-01-2012, 12:30 PM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2012 12:38 PM by Thatweirdkid.)
RE: Afterlife.
(10-01-2012 12:01 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  Evil is not the absence of good. Evil is the opposite of good. The absence of good is nothing, sort of like an apathy (not caring).

I don't think evil is a separate entity. If it were then why doesn't evil and good balance out inside people to make okay? Or something of the sort. I know what apathy is haha. I heard a joke about it: Dad what is ignorance? I don't know. What about apathy? I don't care.

Id say the opposite of good would be represented as evil. But I think good is a thing that doesn't have an opposite. And I would say apathy is represented as the opposite of caring. Which is a synonym of kind I believe. Kind and good are two different things.
Again this is all my opinion though.
(10-01-2012 12:17 PM)Denicio Wrote:  
(10-01-2012 11:37 AM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  And the OT God is not the God I want to live with. If I had been born before Jesus came I don't know what I'd do. I absolutely cannot stand the OT version of God. But He is God and I don't understand all He does.

THen, pray tell, who do you expect to spend eternity with? Just JC? Did he vote god off the island? OR are you saying that God changed his ways after he had his 1st kid? See, you are now doing the KC New agy god thing. SO in essence your god could be your cat, for all we know.

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I believe God does not change. However our knowledge of Him and the way we see Him can change. Back then they saw him as judge because that's all they knew because He hadn't died yet. Their perception of God was judge and they feared and respected God. Now, we no longer need to sacrifice through a priest to make amends for our sin but we are accountable for our actions. so God is still out judge but He is now also our pardon for sin. He is our substitute.


(10-01-2012 12:18 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hey buddy, as a personal request, could you please format your responses to be a little friendlier on the eyes?

Use the quote tags [quote ] [/quote ] for the person you're responding to and then answer them below it or just bold your answers. It's kind of hard to tell where one response starts and the other ends.

Okay, thank you for sharing this with me. I was wondering why their quote wasn't working out the same as in everyone else's post.
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10-01-2012, 01:09 PM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2012 02:53 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Afterlife.
hey twk,
I added a physics related question to the rest of my other questions, onto my original post...after reading your "science" reply, it won't make much sense, but it's there...specifically related to an "afterlife". I suppose your head is about to explode with all of us comin' at ya. Some of us come off as kind of "hard ass", but when you get to know us, we're not a bad bunch. It will take a while, (for me), to read all these comments, and do a reply. But the first thing that came to mind was: ---- reading the bible, (by itself), "ain't" gonna work. Would you try reading a Cardiac Surgery textbook, without taking a Biology course ? There is no easy way out here. The bible is a VERY difficult set of complicated books, full of stuff from ancient cultures you basically know nothing about, unless you have studied them. You would never read any other ancient book, assuming it would make sense to to you, would you ? The ONLY way to understand it, is to read ABOUT it, how it was written, when it was written, and under what circumstances it was written, etc, etc. You can read the bible 1,000 times , and know nothing about it. .................Later. Cool

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10-01-2012, 01:24 PM
RE: Afterlife.
(10-01-2012 12:23 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  
(10-01-2012 11:27 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Not sure if this has already been said but here goes. As a paleontologist-in-training I don't think the meaning of life is all that complex or hard to figure out. As a matter of fact, I would contend that we all already know it. The purpose of life is to live, survive and reproduce. Think about it, if there were no purpose to life, organisms would not struggle against death. Surviving and reproducing are the basic motivators for living. We try to survive and become successful in order to attract the best mate. We want to reproduce so that a little piece of us continues to survive after our inevitable death and we want to survive as long as possible in order to help our offspring and their offspring survive. Even those individuals in human society today that do not find it necessary to mate and reproduce still attempt to pass part of themselves on to others through helping them. Life is about survival, both personal survival and the survival of our species. Our species is here and thriving because we have helped one another throughout time and the only way it will continue is if we continue to do so.

I agree the purpose of life is to live. However, I believe what we disagree on is motivation to live. What about ugly people or people that are single their whole life? Was their whole life a waste?? I don't think so.

And TheBeardedDude didn't say so. Re-read his response.

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10-01-2012, 01:26 PM
RE: Afterlife.
(10-01-2012 12:17 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  
(10-01-2012 11:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Two step shuffle. I believe in god and you don't, na-na. I got an after and you won't na-na

Yeah, have fun with that. Some people go through whatever mental gymnastics to feel superior to others just so they can live with themselves. I don't want to live with myself. I'm tired of waking up in this place. I'm tired of hearing all this double-talk. This kind of self-superiority just gets others killed. Me loving my Gwynnies just gonna get me killed. And who cares abut after? I sure don't.

Just because I believe in God and you don't doesn't mean I have an after and you don't. I believe all people are immortal. Not sure what happens before birth but after death our soul lives forever. That is my belief though. You would say I don't have an eternity or afterlife and you don't either. Naturally, I disagree. I do believe in making the most of every second of life though. However, I also want to know the purpose and meaning of why I am here. I think everyone does. As an atheist I assume you believe the only purpose for life is to live. But that saddens me. Likewise, I am sure when you hear me say I believe in God and Intelligent design it saddens or angers you. Maybe you even think I am being biased by the way I see the data from the beginning. But I would like to ask you a question. Are not all opinions biased? The theory of evolution was based on someones interpretation of the facts. Which is their opinion. As I have always said, Perspective is key. That is all I have to say for now. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Whole lotta ass-umption going on, considering my siggy. How's this for a simple answer: No. Do not include me in your delusion.

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10-01-2012, 01:38 PM
RE: Afterlife.
(10-01-2012 01:26 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(10-01-2012 12:17 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  
(10-01-2012 11:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Two step shuffle. I believe in god and you don't, na-na. I got an after and you won't na-na

Yeah, have fun with that. Some people go through whatever mental gymnastics to feel superior to others just so they can live with themselves. I don't want to live with myself. I'm tired of waking up in this place. I'm tired of hearing all this double-talk. This kind of self-superiority just gets others killed. Me loving my Gwynnies just gonna get me killed. And who cares abut after? I sure don't.

Just because I believe in God and you don't doesn't mean I have an after and you don't. I believe all people are immortal. Not sure what happens before birth but after death our soul lives forever. That is my belief though. You would say I don't have an eternity or afterlife and you don't either. Naturally, I disagree. I do believe in making the most of every second of life though. However, I also want to know the purpose and meaning of why I am here. I think everyone does. As an atheist I assume you believe the only purpose for life is to live. But that saddens me. Likewise, I am sure when you hear me say I believe in God and Intelligent design it saddens or angers you. Maybe you even think I am being biased by the way I see the data from the beginning. But I would like to ask you a question. Are not all opinions biased? The theory of evolution was based on someones interpretation of the facts. Which is their opinion. As I have always said, Perspective is key. That is all I have to say for now. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Whole lotta ass-umption going on, considering my siggy. How's this for a simple answer: No. Do not include me in your delusion.

I am going to say this as nicely as possible. While you say I am the deluded one, I see you as the deluded one. Not intending to sound biting or rude. The only thing I have found that I agree with almost everyone on is that we are all human. Very few disagree. But it has happened. And when someone cannot know they assume. Just like everyone has to do with The beginning of it all. No one knows for sure because they weren't there. I wasn't there for any history. But I believe it happened because of the books that people who did live then wrote about it. So what it comes down to is what book do you trust most? And by that what opinion. For me, it's the Bible. I don't know what your book of choice for knowledge is. I can only guess it's a scientific book. this was written by a fallible man seeking answers capable of error. My book was Inspired by a loving God who desires a relationship with all mankind. Any day I will choose to believe in someone who loves me over random chance nothing colliding to create all we know and see.
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