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29-05-2014, 11:26 AM
Agnostic-Theism-Atheist
From an agnostic's point of view:

This forum sparked my interest because my thinking is, it must be just as hard to prove there is a god as it is to prove there is NOT a god. Saying there can't be a god because of all the bad shit that goes down in the world is still pure speculation. You don't KNOW that there is Not a god just like you don't KNOW there is one.

Does theism seem unrealistic? I'd say hell yeah. However, it cannot be disproven, and in the event that it is 1% probable, it must be accounted for. Atheism is the same argument, but instead, it seems far more probable. Just like theism, atheism cannot be proven or disproven.

So why isn't everyone agnostic? Saying "I have no idea"/being agnostic, is proven to be correct. I recognize this mentality may be unsettling for some, but I've found that this is the honest truth. The fact is, we don't know much if anything. That's why I like agnosticism because it recognizes that.

Alright, now the fun part, What's an atheists take on this? Why should I become an atheist as opposed to an agnostic?

I'm looking forward to some responsible, respectful, and convincing counterarguments Smile

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29-05-2014, 11:28 AM
RE: Agnostic-Theism-Atheist
Well, I'm an irreligious agnostic.
I believe that there could be a god, but it's not the Aesop's fables crap. (The bible.)

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29-05-2014, 11:31 AM
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Neither side is provable. It's just a matter of rounding up.

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29-05-2014, 11:32 AM
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(29-05-2014 11:31 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Neither side is provable. It's just a matter of rounding up.

However religions can be disproved. All of them can.

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29-05-2014, 11:37 AM
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[Image: agnostic-v-gnostic-v-atheist-v-theist.png]

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29-05-2014, 11:39 AM
RE: Agnostic-Theism-Atheist
(29-05-2014 11:32 AM)Alex_Leonardo Wrote:  
(29-05-2014 11:31 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Neither side is provable. It's just a matter of rounding up.

However religions can be disproved. All of them can.

Not 100%.

Only portions.

Disproving something requires for all parts to be empirically disproved. Same with proving something.

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29-05-2014, 11:40 AM
RE: Agnostic-Theism-Atheist
Atheism =/= "There is no god."

Atheism is non-belief in any gods.

And theism doesn't have to be "accounted for" simply because its claims cower behind their own unfalsifiability. The burden of proof resides with the claimant, not those who doubt the claim; and the total lack of evidence to support theists' wild claims is plenty enough reason to utterly dismiss them, hands down.

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29-05-2014, 11:40 AM
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(29-05-2014 11:37 AM)Vosur Wrote:  [Image: agnostic-v-gnostic-v-atheist-v-theist.png]

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That chart is a little too stiff for my liking.

There is a lot more bend in the differing beliefs.

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29-05-2014, 11:41 AM
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(29-05-2014 11:40 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  That chart is a little too stiff for my liking.

There is a lot more bend in the differing beliefs.
All it's supposed to show is that (a)gnosticism and (a)theism aren't mutually exclusive. Sleepy

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29-05-2014, 11:43 AM
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(29-05-2014 11:39 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(29-05-2014 11:32 AM)Alex_Leonardo Wrote:  However religions can be disproved. All of them can.

Not 100%.

Only portions.

Disproving something requires for all parts to be empirically disproved. Same with proving something.

All this time here and you still don't understand that it is not necessary to "disprove" wild claims that are made without a shred of evidence to even support, much less prove them...? Dodgy

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