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18-01-2017, 03:28 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 03:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 02:44 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  True. trump is full of bullshit and pretty much ALL he does is posturing.....with a phone in one hand and his little fingers tweeting away about anything that disturbs his thin skinned little baby ego.



No, you idiot, he doesn't. Three million more voters voted for his opponent and he has the lowest approval rating of any president coming into office in recent history. Much lower than Richard Nixon who was at 59% in Jan. of 1969. Barack Obama was at 68% in 2009.

Your orange faced fuckup is at 34%. That's one of the lowest ratings of any president coming into the office since polling began. Those are numbers close to what Richard Nixon had during Watergate a few months before he resigned in disgrace.


http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/init...proval.php

You're wrong on multiple counts for multiple reasons. I never said Trump has a mandate. I said specifically REPUBLICANS have a mandate because democrats are no longer a national party. They hold power in only 7 states. Seven. Democrats have the fewest government seats in their history. Republicans control the majority of state legislatures, governor seats, the federal house of reps and the senate and the presidency. That is a mandate. To top that off, Trump gets to nominate and a republican senate will get to approve a supreme court vacancy (maybe more soon). Trump also has 104 lifetime appointed federal court vacancies to fill after inauguration (Obama had 53).

Of course Trump has a low approval rating. The country is more partisan than ever. The congress votes mostly on party line now. People generally vote along party line as well. The realclearpolitics average has Trump's approval rating at 41% which is right where I would expect it to be with democrats and never Trump republicans factored out.

When the leader of the Republican party is the President of the US and has only a 34% rating that doesn't bode well for the entire party. The majority party can't shove their weight around with a president who has such low ratings because they know with ratings like that the populace is on the verge of voting them out of office in a couple of years. If he had 50=55%...maybe, but not at 34%, and it's most likely to go down with time. You may try to discount the ratings because, well....you're a fucking asshole, but ratings do matter....a lot.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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18-01-2017, 04:00 PM (This post was last modified: 18-01-2017 04:03 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 03:22 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 02:17 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Will any of them not be confirmed?

It's all bullshit posturing at this point.

Trump will be president. And he is the president of a party that has the greatest number of government seats of any party since the civil war. Republicans have a mandate like never before.

Wrong. You keep saying that. It's a PERFECT set-up. ANYTHING goes wrong, and they will be blamed. I hope they're ALL confirmed, and I hope they all act like the idiots they are. The worse it gets, the better it will be.

Losing the popular vote, and being the most unpopular president-elect in decades is hardly a mandate. You just keep telling yourself your little fairy stories.

Again, I never said TRUMP has a mandate. I said REPUBLICANS have a mandate due to their overwhelming control of state legislatures, governor seats, federal congress and courts. But that's the problem you guys have. Eric Holder even came out and admitted as much the other day. Democrats think the president is the only election that matters. It's the only one they get off the couch for. They look at the president position as some type of king. They have completely ignored local, state and non presidential federal elections in the last 8 years.

You all keep bringing up the popular vote for the presidential election. That has no bearing on the direction state laws go. Trump won't be personally writing the ACA repeal law. The guys with the mandate will. The republicans that have decimated democrats across the country. Democrats have zero political power. They control only 7 states.

The fear for democrats is what if republicans don't fail? Companies are already lining up to invest in America. Don't be surprised in the midterms when republicans win even more.

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18-01-2017, 04:00 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 03:22 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 02:17 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Will any of them not be confirmed?

It's all bullshit posturing at this point.

Trump will be president. And he is the president of a party that has the greatest number of government seats of any party since the civil war. Republicans have a mandate like never before.

Wrong. You keep saying that. It's a PERFECT set-up. ANYTHING goes wrong, and they will be blamed. I hope they're ALL confirmed, and I hope they all act like the idiots they are. The worse it gets, the better it will be.

Losing the popular vote, and being the most unpopular president-elect in decades is hardly a mandate. You just keep telling yourself your little fairy stories.
It will be a three ring circus Big Grin
Nobody will be on the same page, and to quote DfT, the "orange faced fuckup" ( snicker Smile ) will ragetweet at his own cabinet. Priceless!
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18-01-2017, 04:19 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 02:17 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 02:09 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Al Franken is grilling Devos over some important issues. He discovers she's a clueless dolt. Gasp! No, really?!

At 4:14 Franken asks her about her support on gay conversion and religious issues.





Finally! Someone is nailing Trump cabinet appointees. I hope they keep it up.

Will any of them not be confirmed?

It's all bullshit posturing at this point.

Trump will be president. And he is the president of a party that has the greatest number of government seats of any party since the civil war. Republicans have a mandate like never before.

Yes we all know he'll be president. I don't really give a shit anymore...but what does bother me about you....

I know a few Republicans who are deeply concerned about some of his appointments. One even lives in your neck of the wood. Like this one and the anti vaccination one specifically. You don't seem to mind it. I'm worried about what my younger son will face in the world since he's different and on the spectrum of autism. But you won't concern yourself with any of that as long as your children are fine and you can keep your guns.

That said, you've drank the from the republican font, I get it there's nothing Trump or Republicans can do wrong. If they passed laws to force businesses to close on Sunday's and force everyone to attend church you'd gladly do it and if they forced your children to learn about Noah's flood as fact in school science class you'd agree that's true and right they do that. After all many republicans also believe the earth is only 6k years old but because they're republican they must be correct and you cannot bring yourself to disagree with them.

If they make gay marriage illegal and return to the days where homosexuals were arrested and put in prison, you'll just sit by admiring your gun collection and say how great it is to have Republicans control everything...So what if a few end up in for profit prisons...Because why should you care about a social issue? But you'll stand tall for viagra (because ED is a medical condition and pregnancy in your world only lasts a few months), and screw women getting birth control (even though most recent studies show abortion is at an all time low because birth control is more widely available since more women have access to health care than before).

I hope you always remain so content in your bubble.


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18-01-2017, 04:29 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 03:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 02:44 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  True. trump is full of bullshit and pretty much ALL he does is posturing.....with a phone in one hand and his little fingers tweeting away about anything that disturbs his thin skinned little baby ego.



No, you idiot, he doesn't. Three million more voters voted for his opponent and he has the lowest approval rating of any president coming into office in recent history. Much lower than Richard Nixon who was at 59% in Jan. of 1969. Barack Obama was at 68% in 2009.

Your orange faced fuckup is at 34%. That's one of the lowest ratings of any president coming into the office since polling began. Those are numbers close to what Richard Nixon had during Watergate a few months before he resigned in disgrace.


http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/init...proval.php

You're wrong on multiple counts for multiple reasons. I never said Trump has a mandate. I said specifically REPUBLICANS have a mandate because democrats are no longer a national party. They hold power in only 7 states. Seven. Democrats have the fewest government seats in their history. Republicans control the majority of state legislatures, governor seats, the federal house of reps and the senate and the presidency. That is a mandate. To top that off, Trump gets to nominate and a republican senate will get to approve a supreme court vacancy (maybe more soon). Trump also has 104 lifetime appointed federal court vacancies to fill after inauguration (Obama had 53).

Of course Trump has a low approval rating. The country is more partisan than ever. The congress votes mostly on party line now. People generally vote along party line as well. The realclearpolitics average has Trump's approval rating at 41% which is right where I would expect it to be with democrats and never Trump republicans factored out.

(18-01-2017 03:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Of course Trump has a low approval rating. The country is more partisan than ever.

If the country was partisan then he WOULDN'T have a low rating. He has a low approval rating because he's a clueless, borish, egocentric, narcissistic man-baby that doesn't know the first thing about running a government and and people across party lines realize this or will realize it soon enough.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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18-01-2017, 04:45 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 04:00 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 03:22 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Wrong. You keep saying that. It's a PERFECT set-up. ANYTHING goes wrong, and they will be blamed. I hope they're ALL confirmed, and I hope they all act like the idiots they are. The worse it gets, the better it will be.

Losing the popular vote, and being the most unpopular president-elect in decades is hardly a mandate. You just keep telling yourself your little fairy stories.

Again, I never said TRUMP has a mandate. I said REPUBLICANS have a mandate due to their overwhelming control of state legislatures, governor seats, federal congress and courts. But that's the problem you guys have. Eric Holder even came out and admitted as much the other day. Democrats think the president is the only election that matters. It's the only one they get off the couch for. They look at the president position as some type of king. They have completely ignored local, state and non presidential federal elections in the last 8 years.

You all keep bringing up the popular vote for the presidential election. That has no bearing on the direction state laws go. Trump won't be personally writing the ACA repeal law. The guys with the mandate will. The republicans that have decimated democrats across the country. Democrats have zero political power. They control only 7 states.

The fear for democrats is what if republicans don't fail? Companies are already lining up to invest in America. Don't be surprised in the midterms when republicans win even more.

Wrong again. Your assumption that Republicans actually all agree with one another, or act as a block, is false. It's a fake idea. You forget the man who upheld the ACA in the Supreme Court was a Republican. There is no evidence they 'act in accord'. The great irony is that the present ACA is Romney's plan, and the things Trump has been saying recently about it's replacement are Democratic ideas.

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18-01-2017, 04:57 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
Regardless of 'shaking up the system', this is a woman who wants to completely change a system she knows nothing about (couldn't answer basic questions), based on zero actual experience working in said system, and one she has never actually utilized.

Maybe I should apply to be a neurosurgeon! I had a brain MRI once.

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18-01-2017, 05:12 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 04:19 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I know a few Republicans who are deeply concerned about some of his appointments. One even lives in your neck of the wood. Like this one and the anti vaccination one specifically. You don't seem to mind it. I'm worried about what my younger son will face in the world since he's different and on the spectrum of autism.

DeVos has also said she doesn't think states should have to comply with Federal laws protecting disabled students. So it's a fear that seems quite grounded in reality. Angry

Edit: Sorry "it should be left to the states" is the nice way of saying she doesn't think they should have to comply. Sort of like when people say marriage equality should be "left to the states" or abortion should be "left to the states".

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18-01-2017, 06:20 PM
RE: Al Franken and Betsy Devos...religion in school
(18-01-2017 05:12 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(18-01-2017 04:19 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I know a few Republicans who are deeply concerned about some of his appointments. One even lives in your neck of the wood. Like this one and the anti vaccination one specifically. You don't seem to mind it. I'm worried about what my younger son will face in the world since he's different and on the spectrum of autism.

DeVos has also said she doesn't think states should have to comply with Federal laws protecting disabled students. So it's a fear that seems quite grounded in reality. Angry

Edit: Sorry "it should be left to the states" is the nice way of saying she doesn't think they should have to comply. Sort of like when people say marriage equality should be "left to the states" or abortion should be "left to the states".

Sure i guess that excuse can be used to justify any treatment of anyone. If some states want to bring segregation the federal government should allow that too? I'm not saying they would, but I'm sure there are a few places that long for those "good ol' days".

The whole reason we have federal laws (ADA and others) is to protect all people because often different states have different ideas which of their citizens they value.

Civil rights didn't just end in 1964. They can make it as steep of a climb as they wish, we'll just have to keep climbing.


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18-01-2017, 06:26 PM
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She's a slippery snake of a person who doesn't seem to want to further anything other than her own agenda.
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