All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
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23-09-2015, 10:06 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 11:48 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 11:41 AM)Godexists Wrote:  yes, figured it out. Its fake news.

Kinda like scripture huh?

When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......
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23-09-2015, 10:12 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 11:48 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Kinda like scripture huh?

When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

Can't let a chance to threaten eternal damnation get away!
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23-09-2015, 10:19 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 11:48 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Kinda like scripture huh?

When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread. I've just been clicking through it to turn off the indicator that I've got a new post to read.

This post caught my eye, though. Finish your thought, please. If they weren't fake, then what? I go to hell?

I'm not a Christian, so I don't know the ins and the outs of your christian testament, but where exactly does it say that I'm going to hell? I'd really like to examine the text. -I actually never have.
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23-09-2015, 11:18 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:19 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread. I've just been clicking through it to turn off the indicator that I've got a new post to read.

This post caught my eye, though. Finish your thought, please. If they weren't fake, then what? I go to hell?

I'm not a Christian, so I don't know the ins and the outs of your christian testament, but where exactly does it say that I'm going to hell? I'd really like to examine the text. -I actually never have.

It's all inductive reasoning based upon selective reading and interpretation of the Bible.

The reasoning usually goes:

- We're all born in 'sin'. (presupposition based on Genesis)

- The only way into Heaven is to be cleansed of 'sin' through Jesus. (because reasons)

- Ergo anyone not a Christian does to Hell by default. (even if you are Jewish and your afterlife doesn't include torture)

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24-09-2015, 01:58 AM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 11:48 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Kinda like scripture huh?

When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

We won't know shit because part of the definition of death is that our brains cease to function and therefore we lose the ability to 'know'.

Not only is there no scientific evidence that we can perform any kind of intellectual ability without a brain, which would be a bit like driving without a vehicle, but all evidence points to mental faculties degrading or stopping as the brain is slowly destroyed or ceases to function.

For someone who has been trying to subvert science, your post demonstrates that you do not actually care about evidence.
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24-09-2015, 02:33 AM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 11:48 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Kinda like scripture huh?

When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

I know that now. They're fake.

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24-09-2015, 05:08 AM (This post was last modified: 24-09-2015 05:14 AM by TheInquisition.)
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 11:48 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Kinda like scripture huh?

When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

That right there is the reason so many of us have rejected your religion. Your god threatens hell for unbelievers, this is the epitome of an unjust and immoral religion.

This is also an example of humans trying to control other humans by using un-provable threats.

You get on this forum and toss about your religious apologism of irreducible complexity and this apologism leads right back to how unjust this god is that designs and manufactures things like tuberculosis, then sets His biological Frankenstein monsters loose in human populations to kill and wreak untold suffering upon the human race.

Then after you have reminded us, yet again, what a monster this god of yours is, you tell us we are going to hell -once again.

Do you really think this does anything but serve as a reminder how horrible your religion and your god is?

All we can do is point to the monster and say it doesn't exist and it certainly deserves no one's loyalty or worship regardless.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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24-09-2015, 05:27 AM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:19 PM)Aliza Wrote:  I'm not a Christian, so I don't know the ins and the outs of your christian testament, but where exactly does it say that I'm going to hell? I'd really like to examine the text. -I actually never have.

A couple of examples:

Matthew 13:
37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 9:
42And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.49For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. 50Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Mostly bad translations of Gehenna and conflated with any references found to Sheol or Hades and later heavily influenced by Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost.

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24-09-2015, 06:14 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(24-09-2015 01:58 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

We won't know shit because part of the definition of death is that our brains cease to function and therefore we lose the ability to 'know'.

Not only is there no scientific evidence that we can perform any kind of intellectual ability without a brain, which would be a bit like driving without a vehicle, but all evidence points to mental faculties degrading or stopping as the brain is slowly destroyed or ceases to function.

For someone who has been trying to subvert science, your post demonstrates that you do not actually care about evidence.

http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/...ht=dualism

Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands

http://profezie3m.altervista.org/archivi...et_NDE.htm

division of Cardiology, Hospital Rijnstate, Arnhem, Netherlands (P van Lommel MD); Tilburg, Netherlands (R van Wees PhD); Nijmegen, Netherlands (V Meyers PhD); and Capelle a/d Ijssel, Netherlands (I Elfferich PhD)

"During a night shift an ambulance brings in a 44-year-old cyanotic, comatose man into the coronary care unit. He had been found about an hour before in a meadow by passers-by. After admission, he receives artificial respiration without intubation, while heart massage and defibrillation are also applied. When we want to intubate the patient, he turns out to have dentures in his mouth. I remove these upper dentures and put them onto the 'crash car'. Meanwhile, we continue extensive CPR. After about an hour and a half the patient has sufficient heart rhythm and blood pressure, but he is still ventilated and intubated, and he is still comatose. He is transferred to the intensive care unit to continue the necessary artificial respiration. Only after more than a week do I meet again with the patient, who is by now back on the cardiac ward. I distribute his medication. The moment he sees me he says: 'Oh, that nurse knows where my dentures are'. I am very surprised. Then he elucidates: 'Yes, you were there when I was brought into hospital and you took my dentures out of my mouth and put them onto that car, it had all these bottles on it and there was this sliding drawer underneath and there you put my teeth.' I was especially amazed because I remembered this happening while the man was in deep coma and in the process of CPR. When I asked further, it appeared the man had seen himself lying in bed, that he had perceived from above how nurses and doctors had been busy with CPR. He was also able to describe correctly and in detail the small room in which he had been resuscitated as well as the appearance of those present like myself. At the time that he observed the situation he had been very much afraid that we would stop CPR and that he would die. And it is true that we had been very negative about the patient's prognosis due to his very poor medical condition when admitted. The patient tells me that he desperately and unsuccessfully tried to make it clear to us that he was still alive and that we should continue CPR. He is deeply impressed by his experience and says he is no longer afraid of death. 4 weeks later he left hospital as a healthy man."
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24-09-2015, 06:16 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(23-09-2015 10:06 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 11:48 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Kinda like scripture huh?

When you die, you will know if scriptures were fake. If they weren't, though.......

Pascal's Wager - It is a "safe bet" to believe in God just in case he is real. What's the harm? If you believe and he doesn't exist, you don't lose anything, but if you don't believe and he does exist, you lose big time.

One cannot pretend to believe, one either does or does not. I surmise that a large percentage of "christians" go through the motions under this pretense. If there is a god, I am sure he can see through the pretending..the greatest problem with the wager is its suggestion that a rational person can knowingly will himself to believe a proposition for which he has no evidence. A person can profess any creed he likes, of course, but to really believe something, he must also believe that the belief under consideration is true.

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"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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