All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
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25-09-2015, 10:06 AM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 09:44 AM)Godexists Wrote:  Is torturing , raping, and killing babies for fun objectively wrong ? or are there circumstances, where you think doing so would be ok ?

So, are you going to answer the actual question of demonstrating an "Objective" truth, or not?
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25-09-2015, 01:47 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 09:48 AM)Godexists Wrote:  
(25-09-2015 12:29 AM)Astreja Wrote:  No problem -- I make subjective moral judgements anyway.

if moral judgements are subjective, you cannot condemn someone that helds raping, killing and torturing babies for fun is good. He adopts just a different moral code than you do. Who would you be to think to have a superior moral code ? That would be damn arrogant.

Congrats you stupid fuck, ethics is a construct of societal consensus. One outlier can certainly think that there is nothing 'morally' objectionable with raping and killing a baby, and while nobody has any grounds to label such actions as 'objectively wrong' (the universe at large doesn't give a fuck), such action can be seen as morally objectionable by the vast majority of people in the society they share. This is why there can be severe cultural clashes when visiting other countries or in acclimating to new societies; simply because morality, ethics, and cultural norms are entirely subjective.

So we can condemn a baby killer, but we cannot state that his actions are objectively wrong; the universe simply doesn't give a fuck.

All value judgments are subjective. Most people have empathy and value reciprocal treatment, those who do not are known as psychopaths. The reason why the moral code of psychopaths doesn't hold sway is because they don't make up a sizeable majority, and thus they do not shape the consensus. Why not? Evolutionary selective pressure has favored empathy and cooperation, and group made up mostly of psychopaths has a lower chance at survival in comparison to a similarly equipped group who favors cooperation and empathy.

Morality and ethics is an evolved construct, limited by our knowledge and our capacity to think; morality, much like consciousness, is an emergent property.

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25-09-2015, 02:26 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 09:44 AM)Godexists Wrote:  is torturing , raping, and killing babies for fun objectively wrong ? or are there circumstances, where you think doing so would be ok ?

Please define exactly how morality can either be objective or subjective.

What exactly does 'objectively wrong' actually mean?
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25-09-2015, 02:27 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 09:46 AM)Godexists Wrote:  
(25-09-2015 02:19 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Explain why neuro-degenerative diseases, brain lesions and anesthesia have the effect that they do.

because the brain is damaged. If you have a pianist, and a piano, and the piano is damaged, the pianist can try no matter how much, the sound will always be compromised. Same with the brain.....

Exactly. Without a brain we cannot function. If consciousness continued to exist after death then it would continue to exist as before even when partially dead.
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25-09-2015, 02:28 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 09:48 AM)Godexists Wrote:  if moral judgements are subjective,


Please define exactly what you mean by a moral judgement being subjective compared to objective.
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25-09-2015, 02:44 PM (This post was last modified: 25-09-2015 02:49 PM by TheInquisition.)
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 09:44 AM)Godexists Wrote:  
(25-09-2015 09:42 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  The above reply is not, actually an answer but an equivocation.

Please answer the question and demonstrate any/an "Objective" value. We'll wait.. though given your previous posting history.. we may not be patient.

is torturing , raping, and killing babies for fun objectively wrong ? or are there circumstances, where you think doing so would be ok ?

1 Samuel 15:3- Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.

Numbers 31:17-18- 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Psalms 137:9 -How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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25-09-2015, 02:51 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 09:44 AM)Godexists Wrote:  
(25-09-2015 09:42 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  The above reply is not, actually an answer but an equivocation.

Please answer the question and demonstrate any/an "Objective" value. We'll wait.. though given your previous posting history.. we may not be patient.

is torturing , raping, and killing babies for fun objectively wrong ? or are there circumstances, where you think doing so would be ok ?

If killing babies is objectively wrong, then your god was objectively wrong when he murdered all of those babies in the global flood of Noah.

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25-09-2015, 02:53 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
Angelo's even worse at theology than he is at biology. Whoda thunk?

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25-09-2015, 05:06 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 01:47 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Congrats you stupid fuck,

what is your point in insulting me ? What is your goal ?
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25-09-2015, 05:09 PM
RE: All cellular functions are  irreducibly complex
(25-09-2015 02:28 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Please define exactly what you mean by a moral judgement being subjective compared to objective.

if torturing, raping, and killing babies for fun in any circumstances is wrong, then its objectively wrong.
If it depends on someones viewpoint, and if it might be ok in certain cases, then its depending of subjective judgement.

So do you think that there might be a case where it might be ok to do so?
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