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09-11-2015, 08:49 PM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
Fine, express your opinion of Paul. Let people know it. But I am not interested in it.
I just want to remind you that your claims in these thread are false so far.
One of them: Paul said that Jewish Law has to be replaced with faith in Christ. You failed to provide a quote were Paul sates this.
"to replace Law with faith in Christ" is not "to be or not to be justified by Law"

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09-11-2015, 08:53 PM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
(09-11-2015 06:29 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Alla,
you have a very simplistic understanding. If that makes you happy, and you don't want to learn anything more, that's fine, but if so, why are you here?
I'm afraid conversation at your level is just too boring for our readers. Me making fun of you might give some of them a laugh, but ultimately it's a bit pointless.

If you want to "raise the bar" and discuss real history, I'll walk with you on the journey.
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I didn't start this thread to learn your opinions about Paul or the Bible.
I started this thread to show you that your claims are incorrect(false).
I didn't start this thread to entertain people.
You didn't make fun of me.

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09-11-2015, 09:17 PM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
(09-11-2015 08:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  Fine, express your opinion of Paul. Let people know it. But I am not interested in it.
I just want to remind you that your claims in these thread are false so far.
One of them: Paul said that Jewish Law has to be replaced with faith in Christ. You failed to provide a quote were Paul sates this.
"to replace Law with faith in Christ" is not "to be or not to be justified by Law"

Fine, express your opinion of Paul. Let people know it. But I am not interested in it.

Fuck off then.

This is the thinking atheist's forum. We think. We discuss. We learn.

You appear to want to drag the conversation down to your level.

"I just want to remind you that your claims in these thread are false so far.
One of them: Paul said that Jewish Law has to be replaced with faith in Christ. You failed to provide a quote were Paul sates this."


You have just said you are not interested in my opinion, and then you comment on it.
Either you are interested, and we can discuss, or you are not, and you can go back to church. Make up your mind.
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11-11-2015, 01:28 AM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
Jeebus....it appears she has fucked off. Gasp

Q has gone too....or so it seems.

I think it's time I had a well earned rest.
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11-11-2015, 11:05 AM (This post was last modified: 11-11-2015 11:13 AM by Alla.)
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
MARK FULTON:
“And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.” (1 Corinthians 9:20-23, KJV)

In other words, Paul admitted he tailored his innovative theology to suit his audience lie he told different things to different people. This is fraud, and the behaviour of a charlatan.

ALLA:
Yes, right. Paul "admitted" he tailored his "theology" accept he did not admit it.

Mark Fulton, of course, as usual has no idea what Paul was actually admitting.

All he had to do is to check out what Paul said in one verse above or a few verses in the next chapter:

19 I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more
So, Paul was talking about his service and not about his theology.
He served the Jew as the Jew wanted to be served. He served the Gentile as the Gentile would wanted to served. He served the weak the way the weak wanted to be served.
So, Paul was admitting that he tried to put himself in people's shoe that he could have better understanding how to serve them.


Paul was admitting that he did not offend anybody and not as Mark WRONGLY claims Paul admitted to tailor his theology

Paul said
32 give none offence, neither to the Jew, nor to Gentiles, nor to Church of God:
33 even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

So, Paul was admitting he didn't want to offend people and he was serving them by putting himself in their shoe.

Mark Fulton WRONGLY as usual assumed that Paul was tailoring his theology.

P.S. Nice assumption, Mark Fulton. But there is one little problem with this assumption: it is fodder from the truth Facepalm

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11-11-2015, 11:07 AM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
(11-11-2015 01:28 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Jeebus....it appears she has fucked off. Gasp

Q has gone too....or so it seems.

In your dream, baby. I didn't list all of your false claims, yet.

(11-11-2015 01:28 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I think it's time I had a well earned rest.


Sure, while I do my first 100 push-ups to warm up myself a little bit. Kiss

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11-11-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
Just a reminder because we have a few noobs.

The boxing ring is 1:1 debate.

If you wish to chime in do it in the commentary thread.

Any and all posts and even replies will be deleted.


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11-11-2015, 12:11 PM (This post was last modified: 11-11-2015 12:15 PM by Alla.)
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
Quote: "Charlatans typically don't tell people in open source documents that they are charlatans! "

MARK FULTON: Paul did! He admitted he was a liar.
Rom 3:7 the truth of God hath more abounded through(in, by, because of) my lie unto His glory.

ALLA:

So, Paul admits that he lied. He says that every man is a liar. But it doesn't make every liar a charlatan.

So, if Mark Fulton lies: "according to the Bible Paul admitted he was tailoring his theology" then Mark Fulton is charlatan?
So, if Mark Fulton lies that "according to the Bible Paul admits to be a charlatan" then Mark Fulton is charlatan?
So, if Mark Fulton lies that "according to the Bible Paul preached to replace Jewish Law with faith in Christ" then Mark Fulton is charlatan?

I don't think so. I don't even believe Mark Fulton is lying intentionally, but he lies in his ignorance. He is simply a man who doesn't understand spiritual things. He even doesn't know what spiritual things are. Mark Fulton simply have no idea what Paul actually was saying.

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11-11-2015, 07:56 PM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
(11-11-2015 11:07 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(11-11-2015 01:28 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Jeebus....it appears she has fucked off. Gasp

Q has gone too....or so it seems.

In your dream, baby. I didn't list all of your false claims, yet.

(11-11-2015 01:28 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I think it's time I had a well earned rest.


Sure, while I do my first 100 push-ups to warm up myself a little bit. Kiss

Oh...you're back. I thought as you had written

"I wish to every person on this forum only the best. I hope all of you have great time( Holidays season).
You all are great people.

Good bye."


you meant "goodbye." Obviously not.

Let's get back into it thenBig Grin
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11-11-2015, 09:32 PM
RE: Alla and Mark Fulton about Paul
(11-11-2015 11:05 AM)Alla Wrote:  MARK FULTON:
“And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.” (1 Corinthians 9:20-23, KJV)

In other words, Paul admitted he tailored his innovative theology to suit his audience lie he told different things to different people. This is fraud, and the behaviour of a charlatan.

ALLA:
Yes, right. Paul "admitted" he tailored his "theology" accept he did not admit it.

Mark Fulton, of course, as usual has no idea what Paul was actually admitting.

All he had to do is to check out what Paul said in one verse above or a few verses in the next chapter:

19 I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more
So, Paul was talking about his service and not about his theology.
He served the Jew as the Jew wanted to be served. He served the Gentile as the Gentile would wanted to served. He served the weak the way the weak wanted to be served.
So, Paul was admitting that he tried to put himself in people's shoe that he could have better understanding how to serve them.


Paul was admitting that he did not offend anybody and not as Mark WRONGLY claims Paul admitted to tailor his theology

Paul said
32 give none offence, neither to the Jew, nor to Gentiles, nor to Church of God:
33 even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

So, Paul was admitting he didn't want to offend people and he was serving them by putting himself in their shoe.

Mark Fulton WRONGLY as usual assumed that Paul was tailoring his theology.

P.S. Nice assumption, Mark Fulton. But there is one little problem with this assumption: it is fodder from the truth Facepalm

Wrong Alla.

Here is the chapter, and my highlights demonstrate that Paul was referring to his theology...

1 Corinthians 9King James Version (KJV)

9 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?

2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,

4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?

5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?

9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway

Alla, there is nothing here about him "serving" his victims in the physical sense. What he meant by this was he was preaching to them.
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