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16-10-2012, 03:51 PM
RE: Amanda Todd?
(16-10-2012 03:03 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  So much to explain...

The story goes, she slept with some girls boyfriend and revenge was sought.

The evidence points to blogtv. Which she used to broadcast her own naked body to the public. Which was then recorded and used against her.

The real failure here is the fact that the internet is a public place. She should've been taught that idea.

I don't support "bullying" but at some point you have to get it into your kids heads that if you wouldn't do it in a public place then you shouldn't do it on the internet.
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I don't agree with bullying on either side of things.. but how are the facts so skew'd .. the story I read said she "flashed" her tits to a man who had been cohersing her to do so for about a year. Now she is 12 and sleeping with someone elses boyfriend and stripping on a pornish type site?? I feel sorry for the girl and more importantly her loved ones - either way..

I think a lot of girls turn to this type of behavior due to insecurites - I see retarded behavior like this from grown women and shake my head as well. More girls/women need to be taught that self worth is not completely tied up in being slutty - and even more so that those actions are looked down upon -- not looked up too.. I can't begin to even say where that starts tho Sad

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16-10-2012, 03:59 PM
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I, for one, have always monitored and restricted my kids access to the Internet. We use a key logger, and the girls are only allowed a limited amount of time. With that said though, I am also aware that they are able to access the Internet outside our home (we even have members of this forum that come here during their classes!) and so monitoring has always been secondary to education. I'vealways used the shopping mall analogy. I teach my kids that being online is like being at a shopping mall. A mall is filled with people who you don't know. Some good, some bad. When you are at the mall, countless people can see what you are doing, and hear what you are saying. All they need to do is look and listen. And they can do all this without you even knowing. So doing and saying things at the mall, just like on the Internet, should be done with that in mind. There is no privacy. It is an illusion. Kids need to not only be taught that, but also be constantly reminded.

As for Amanda Todd, I feel the same about her as every other person that has needlessly died.
It is sad.
It sucks.
It's wrong.
It shouldn't have happened.
And most importantly, Amanda Todd is no more or less important than any other tragedy.

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16-10-2012, 04:03 PM
Amanda Todd?
(16-10-2012 01:15 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I'm a huge advocate of free speech, but I see things like this and sometimes wonder if some form of censorship is needed in certain situations.

Which is more important? Mutual kindness or free speech? When they conflict one needs to be more important than the other.

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16-10-2012, 04:08 PM
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(16-10-2012 04:03 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  
(16-10-2012 01:15 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I'm a huge advocate of free speech, but I see things like this and sometimes wonder if some form of censorship is needed in certain situations.

Which is more important? Mutual kindness or free speech? When they conflict one needs to be more important than the other.

I know.

That's my dilemma.

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16-10-2012, 04:47 PM
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To the parents using the keyloggers. I am in no way questioning you as a parent. I'm not one myself, and i understand why your doing it. But you do realise the more controlling you are with stuff like that, the more they will try to find ways round it that are out with your control. Which in the case of my friends sister almost lead the kind of thing you are trying to protect them from.

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16-10-2012, 05:59 PM
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Darwin says the ape who isn't tough enough to deal with having poop thrown at him doesn't get to produce offspring who aren't tough enough to deal with having poop thrown at them.

Cold as it may be; I can't seem to find any "tragedy" in all of this. Someone's always offing themselves over one thing or another. When everything's a "tragedy", nothing is tragic.

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16-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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(16-10-2012 04:47 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  To the parents using the keyloggers. I am in no way questioning you as a parent. I'm not one myself, and i understand why your doing it. But you do realise the more controlling you are with stuff like that, the more they will try to find ways round it that are out with your control. Which in the case of my friends sister almost lead the kind of thing you are trying to protect them from.

Dude, you know I think you are awesome, so please don't take offense, but you just don't know what you're talking about. First, letting a teenager know they are being monitored for the right reason actually encourages them to earn trust. They do so by following rules and accepting that they don't always get to make said rules. Second, of course they find ways around things like key loggers, but you send a message that certain things are not acceptable, not to mention the message that if I can find out what you are doing on this computer, someone else can find out what you did on another computer.

They say that control is an illusion, and I agree. But giving up on trying to control things that protect your kids isn't any better than over controlling. I know it sounds condescending, but you won't be able to grasp that balance until you are a parent. In fact many parents never grasp it. And I may have it wrong, but I can say with confidence that I am a lot further down the path to the truth than someone who hasn't parented a child.

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Get the key logger, or whatever you have at your disposal at the time. Use it. Be honest with your kids about it. And be honest about WHY you are using it. Get them involved with their own upbringing by teaching them about trust, and how it isn't given at the outset, but instead it's EARNED. Teach them that you monitoring them isn't a punishment, it's just a normal thing so that you can guide them when they're confused and in need of experience. And if nothing else, always remind them (even when you are fighting about the key logger Wink ) that you protect them for their benefit, not yours. It's one of the many ways we get to tell them we love them.

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16-10-2012, 06:05 PM (This post was last modified: 16-10-2012 06:09 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(16-10-2012 02:07 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  I generally agree with TAA on all opinions.

(16-10-2012 03:59 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  And most importantly, Amanda Todd is no more or less important than any other tragedy.

Never heard of this dude before and at first I thought you meant TTA, but I get dude's point. If her death going viral represents a tipping point which will result in tangible societal change then that's a positive thing. But if come next week she's forgotten for the next viral topic then her death going viral diminishes the ubiquity of bullying and injustice by making it seem like this poor girl was merely an anomaly. TAA's money's on the latter. Girly's too.

(16-10-2012 02:53 PM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  He also glossed over the fact that teachers can't control their classrooms because if you look at a kid crosseyed the teacher and the district get sued.

Girly's brother, ManlyBro, is a Behavioral Management Specialist for the Montgomery County school system in Maryland. I asked him what that meant. "Whaddya mean, it means I manage the students' behavior." "So you're like some sort of therapist or something?" "No Bro, I literally manage their behavior. Up to and including physically restraining them without hurting them until the cops arrive if they fail to comply." All of the students in the High Schools he's assigned to have been kicked out of the schools they were initally assigned to. There is zero bullying in the schools my brother works.

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16-10-2012, 06:37 PM
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People who celebrate her death are sick. The people who drove her to it are worse. If it was my decision the ring-leaders involved in driving her to this would be facing prosecution. As much as people wanna say they're only teenagers and didn't realise what they were doing, they need to understand that actions have consequences. The fact that they are younger isn't gonna bring her back.

I will say though that I distinguish heavily between people who celebrate her death and people who wish she was still alive but joke about it. I really have no problem with the latter group.

On the topic of keyloggers and stuff like that I kinda think it depends on the teen and the situation. I can say quite safely that if my parents had done that I wouldn't have taken it very well. However honest and upfront, however much they said it was for my benefit, I wouldda resented the fuck out of it and it wouldda just inspired me to find ways around it. Not because I necessarily had anything to hide, just because it would feel like a lack of trust to me and because I could be a rebellious little shit.

It would probably work far better with some people though so it depends on the situation in my view.

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16-10-2012, 06:54 PM
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(16-10-2012 01:05 PM)Wolfmurder Wrote:  I know this is a really sticky subject, but everyone in my school is raving about this Amanda Todd thing. It seems that the girl wasn't a very savory character, showing her body to old men on the internet at the ripe old age of 15, as well as other sorts of fuckery. She ended up killing herself, and now everyone is glamorizing it. By no means am I saying that I'm happy she's dead, but I'm not sure how I feel about all this attention.

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