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25-02-2011, 02:39 AM
RE: America cannot be taken over
As long as I can be in denial of my United Statesian citizenship I'm all for it =p

But it's fun to call a country with a lot of overly critical and bigoted people the "US" it just bleeds an us/them argument =p

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25-02-2011, 07:00 AM
RE: America cannot be taken over
(24-02-2011 10:04 PM)Diclonius Wrote:  There are other ways a country can be taken over, for example China owns most of our asses now monetarily. We need to import more, along with other things. But that's not going to happen until we get a few competent people in office... who knows how long THAT will take.

True , but China is an export economy and their main client is the US.They don't have any leverage.Their own population is too poor to buy their goods.

Well , a country can easily be "taken over" by weapons of mass destruction.
If I'm not mistaken , towards the end of the second world war the Third Reich were close to developing a colorless and odorless chemical agent.If you use a chemical weapon and kill off the population of a country you can then take it over unopposed. Most of these chemicals dissipate in time , so it's a horrible yet efficient method.

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25-02-2011, 10:27 AM
RE: America cannot be taken over
You don't need to conquer land anymore. You can "conquer" a country through other means...like setting up puppet governments that will be in your interests.

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25-02-2011, 11:30 AM
RE: America cannot be taken over
No one has to come and try to conquer America. We're going to take ourselves out at the rate we are going.

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25-02-2011, 06:15 PM
RE: America cannot be taken over
(25-02-2011 11:30 AM)BnW Wrote:  No one has to come and try to conquer America. We're going to take ourselves out at the rate we are going.

This is sadly more plausible then I'd like to think.
You guys really need to pull together - actually we all do.

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26-02-2011, 11:26 PM
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(24-02-2011 10:26 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  (Canadians and Mexicans sometimes like to be considered Americans)

Hahahaha, no. Everyone I know would be disappointed (at least) to be called American or referred to as one. Like Stark said, it's not that we don't like you guys but it's like confusing a Scotsman with a Brit, it's entirely possible he'd be pissed.

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27-02-2011, 12:38 PM
 
RE: America cannot be taken over
(26-02-2011 11:26 PM)Green Wrote:  
(24-02-2011 10:26 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  (Canadians and Mexicans sometimes like to be considered Americans)

Hahahaha, no. Everyone I know would be disappointed (at least) to be called American or referred to as one. Like Stark said, it's not that we don't like you guys but it's like confusing a Scotsman with a Brit, it's entirely possible he'd be pissed.

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I love Canada and when people ask "what I am" I don't even care to discuss where my parents were from. It's one thing to ask out of curiosity, but if you know where my last name originates and it's the same as where your last name originates, I don't want to be part of your "club". I wasn't born there, I wasn't raised there, I don't want to pretend that I am something I am not, thanks. I don't mean to be offensive if that is how it seems, I am just part of Canada which is a real country with a real culture.

Back on topic, I think that Americans maybe think that Canadians (and maybe Mexicans, I have no idea) would like to be considered part of US much more often then we do. I know that the US is very patriotic (good for them) but it's almost a false belief they have that everyone wants to be like them. But like Green and SR mentioned, we like the US and consider ourselves friends. Smile
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27-02-2011, 03:06 PM
 
RE: America cannot be taken over
(24-02-2011 10:22 PM)Green Wrote:  You're also leaving out aliens. Aliens can probably take over America.

Nope, we have Will Smith.

Not only can American, or India, or China, not be taken over, they are the only powers that are capable of taking OTHER countries over, and even then, with huge amounts of difficulty. The only reason we have Iraq/Afghanistan in our grasp is that we are not planning on a permanent colonial style occupation. If this was the case, then the sectarian violence would not calm down ever.

Personally, I think this creates an excellent deterrent to war. Wars will still be fought obviously, but they won't involve longer term occupation and hardship, and wars will not be expansionist (as much as you may argue the Iraq war was expansionist, I'm talking for the the purpose of territorial expansion). The land grab incentive has been one of the greatest motivators for war in history.

Of course, this situation may just be temporary. One may only hope that major wars won't happen again, but it would be naive to suggest they won't. Europe has straightened itself out and probably won't have an internal war for at least a few decades. However, China is eying Taiwan, and this could be the flashpoint of the next major war. Simulations have shown that with the home turf advantage, China would mostly likely win the initial encounter, raising questions over where the conflict will go from there.

Anyways, just as the post world war 1 "spirit" was one of everlasting peace, and world war 2 was supposed to be the "war to end all wars" I doubt the present state of affairs will last very long.
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