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29-11-2010, 04:44 AM
America vs Britain in war...
This is a question that often gets asked around where I live. If Britain and America went to war next week; who would win?

And there is many arguments for the war.
America has a bigger army,
Britain has a better trained army,
America Has better military hardware,
Britain has more direct allies,
ect ect ect.

Anyway I always had one answer for this: it wouldn't be a skirmish and end at that.

The reason: modern armies don't accept casualties, modern armies don't fight each other. Britain and American just won't accept war deaths. Both the countries get worked up when one man is killed and the force is put in retreat, failing to mention they left behind thousands of dead enemy.

If a force of British and American troops went into combat together, two well trained forces with the best training and weapons in the world, so many people would be killed that it just wouldn't work.

Now just a few years ago we were willing for soldiers to die in wars with other modernized militaries. Britain protecting it's borders from Argentina in the 80s, America attacking Vietnam in the 70s. But right now, I don't think any modern force is willing to put their soldiers in the firing line of an equal force.

Just what I think.

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29-11-2010, 10:25 AM
RE: America vs Britain in war...
I don't think that either country could actually win. It would end either in a peace treaty after both countries have exhausted their resources or a nuclear weapon exchange.

On another note, has anyone else played Advanced Squad Leader? It was an old tactical war game, probably the first to place the players in command of a squad rather than a platoon. It got a lot of awards for creativity, and it was a great game. You could choose to play as the Russians, Americans, British, or Germans during World War Two. Each side had its own strengths and weaknesses.

When the creator was interviewed, he was asked how he captured the "feel" of each army so perfectly. He replied (paraphrased):

"Well, I just thought about what each country's soldiers would do if they were in this situation. See, picture this squad of soldiers in the middle of a forest, and they find a house. They get a radio call from the general, who orders them to hold the house no matter what. So what would they do?
Well, the Russians, they would get up in the house, and then they would fight as heroically as any army to ever be fielded, and take a lot of the enemy down with them. But when it became obvious that it was hopeless, they'd run away.
The Germans... well, in thirty minutes, that house would be a fortress.
The British would stand right where they were when they received the order and fire into the enemy as they charged. They'd kill hundreds of their foes and die where they stood, and their tale would be told in song and story for years to come.
The Americans would stand there for a second, kinda shuffle their feet awkwardly. Then one of them would look up and say 'This is fuckin' stupid. I'm goin' out in the woods to flank the bastards.'"

It made me laugh.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm not called the resident gamer geek for nothin'.

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29-11-2010, 05:47 PM
RE: America vs Britain in war...
Theoretical military conflicts can be fun 8)

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29-11-2010, 06:44 PM
 
RE: America vs Britain in war...
British armed forces- 233,860 people
American armed forces- 2,278,616 people

British nuclear arsenal- 225
American nuclear arsenal- 9.600

I could go on with other figures, but clearly the Americans would win. I mean, they (or reluctantly, we) spend nearly 700 billion dollars a year on our defense budget.

If we assume America is involved in no other conflicts, it wouldn't even be close. If it went nuclear, then America could carpet bomb every square foot of the tiny little island with nukes, whereas Britain could only take out major population areas (which I guess would have the same effect).

Then again, I'm no military theorist. Am I missing something?
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29-11-2010, 06:53 PM
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Quote:Then again, I'm no military theorist.

Neither am I. But I HAVE seen the movie WarGames and I deduce that the only way to beat Britain is to have them play Tic Tac Toe against themselves.

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29-11-2010, 07:00 PM
RE: America vs Britain in war...
Maybe missing the British and European anti-missile systems and the US ones. I don't think the nuclear arsenals would really work against a non-"developing country".

There is also the conscript ability. America has near nil, where as Britain has the entire commonwealth allies in a pretty good average health ready for conscription in a ground war.

There is also the British training, which makes the odds of a ground war evened to a 3/2 bonus to America.

There is hundreds of factors I hear, though my point is that Americans and British are not prepared to take so many casualties. I think the most that could happen really is two aircraft carriers shooting at each other in the atlantic and then coming home with a peace treaty and half a ship of coffins.

Though there was a friend of mine, a LNT in the RAF gunners, who said; "Britain and America in a ground war would be the most terrible thing we've ever seen. We would wipe out their military, but they would wipe out our civilian population. And while Britain lay in rubble the American nation would crumble under the weight of massive casualties and political upheaval... I don't think America would even have the strength left to start World War 3."

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29-11-2010, 07:10 PM
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Where does this pervasive European myth come form about the inferior training of the US military vs. our European counterparts? I hear this all the time from Europeans and I think it's pure crap.

Btw, right now there is probably no military in the world with more combat experience then the US military. Yes, the UK has been with us in Iraq and Afghanistan but I don't believe they have committed nearly the number of ground troops.

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29-11-2010, 08:10 PM
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It's because America doesn't train self-discipline and uses outdated standard weaponry.

Yeah you have the Marines who are really good and the advanced specialist weaponry, but rank and file infantry in the USA is inferior to most european rank and file.

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29-11-2010, 08:39 PM
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I deployed and trained with British, German, and for some reason Italian troops (some renowned training course in Germany) and was not impressed. Our Special Ops, Delta Force, Navy Seals, and Rangers are all leaps and bounds more tactically proficient than any other foreign forces I've seen.

It's the same thing you say when talking to someone who has slept with 100 women to your 2. "Well, it's about quality, not quantity." It just so happens that we have both. And the only people to ever challenge us in the annual sniper competitions at Ft Benning are strangely, Canadians.

I will give you the US has terrible gear, though. M16 was sh!t and so is it's replacement, the M4A1. But we've always been a country of lowest bidder when it comes to that. I was a tanker and the only country that could match our Abrams in tank battles is Israel with their Merkavas, and even then they'd have to have a better trained crew to get off the first shot, which they don't.

The only country that I'd be worried about in a 1 on 1 fight is China, since they've got about 1 million more active troops and they're just so damn crazy/dedicated.

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29-11-2010, 08:44 PM
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Didn't a British marksman get the furthest recorded combat sniper kill though?

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