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25-02-2013, 09:28 PM
RE: American education
(25-02-2013 09:22 PM)smidgen Wrote:  
(25-02-2013 09:13 PM)StorMFront Wrote:  Freedom to do what you want in America? I doubt it.....yet in certain cases you allow it. No one has the ability to what they want, especially when it affects others.
But a museum does not effect others. If you don't like it just don't go there. It's as simple as that.
This person was stupid enough to open a stupid museum and he was free to do so. I don't understand
what the big deal is. Just don't go there.
A museum doesnt affect others? they are learning institutes...you could basically call them tools.

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25-02-2013, 09:37 PM (This post was last modified: 25-02-2013 09:46 PM by StorMFront.)
RE: American education
This is what I am getting at, holy shit....you have people that think its an opinion on what should go in a museum.....or what is called a museum....you are making my point. You think you have more freedom then I do? Fuck, I could go to work tomorrow and say I was an atheist and not worry about being fired.

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25-02-2013, 09:46 PM
RE: American education
(25-02-2013 09:22 PM)smidgen Wrote:  
(25-02-2013 09:13 PM)StorMFront Wrote:  Freedom to do what you want in America? I doubt it.....yet in certain cases you allow it. No one has the ability to what they want, especially when it affects others.
But a museum does not effect others. If you don't like it just don't go there. It's as simple as that.
This person was stupid enough to open a stupid museum and he was free to do so. I don't understand
what the big deal is. Just don't go there.
No, it is very important. Children are being taught lies. They are being made stupid. These are the voters and future voters in the U.S.

I would hope that someone would burn that creation museum down.

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25-02-2013, 09:48 PM (This post was last modified: 25-02-2013 09:51 PM by Starcrash.)
RE: American education
(25-02-2013 09:12 PM)smidgen Wrote:  Most American Media is filled with lies. And most Americans are not arrogant. And the smartest kids
I have met in the last few years have all been home schooled but the government does not want that
because that means they can't indoctrinate them into the socialists teachings they are trying to
shove down our kids throats.

This is why anecdotal evidence is poor evidence. "Most American Media" is not filled with lies. We live in the information age where it's very easy to fact-check. Even extremely biased media like FOX News and MSNBC are not "filled with lies" but rather "slant" the facts by giving less than all the information or by wording it semantically in a manner that pushes a certain opinion. But there are laws against reporting false stories, which is why practically everyone but Dan Rather was fired over the bogus Bush military record report that aired on CBS.

And while there may be "smart" kids from home-schooling, most parents are not qualified to teach. Our schools aren't "socialist" nor are they trying (or allowed to) shove indoctrination "down our kids' throats". Schools teach a general curriculum filled with subjects that don't even allow "indoctrination", such as math, English, and science. They give textbooks to children that these children are allowed to take home for review by parents. There's no hidden agenda, and the suggestion smacks of conspiracy theory paranoia.

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25-02-2013, 09:55 PM
RE: American education
(25-02-2013 09:28 PM)StorMFront Wrote:  
(25-02-2013 09:22 PM)smidgen Wrote:  But a museum does not effect others. If you don't like it just don't go there. It's as simple as that.
This person was stupid enough to open a stupid museum and he was free to do so. I don't understand
what the big deal is. Just don't go there.
A museum doesnt affect others? they are learning institutes...you could basically call them tools.

To be a "learning institute", one actually has to pass through its doors. And there aren't people on the fence between evolution and creationism visiting that museum in order to attain evidence to bring them to a conclusion. Atheists visit to poke fun and Creationists visit to feel better about their silly belief.

To be fair, it can affect kids. However, a kid would typically be brought their by someone who's already indoctrinating them in such foolishness, so I agree that the museum itself is ineffective.

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25-02-2013, 10:10 PM
RE: American education
(25-02-2013 09:55 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  
(25-02-2013 09:28 PM)StorMFront Wrote:  A museum doesnt affect others? they are learning institutes...you could basically call them tools.

To be a "learning institute", one actually has to pass through its doors. And there aren't people on the fence between evolution and creationism visiting that museum in order to attain evidence to bring them to a conclusion. Atheists visit to poke fun and Creationists visit to feel better about their silly belief.

To be fair, it can affect kids. However, a kid would typically be brought their by someone who's already indoctrinating them in such foolishness, so I agree that the museum itself is ineffective.
Your point might make sense to you, but not to me. There is no fence, I was raised Catholic. I was taught evolution as fact. The vast majority of western society is with me. What the fuck is with America?

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25-02-2013, 10:23 PM
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We have creation museums, but we also have the Hubble telescope.

We have the Patriot Act and invasive laws, but we also have the Liberty Bell and the Declaration of Independence.

We are the birthplace of Jerry Falwell and Kent Hovind, but also of Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett.

I know people like to brand America with the stigma that we aren't really as free as we claim to be, but we pretty much are. I could go right now, take out a loan, and open an "Elvis is Still Alive" museum if I wanted. That's the problem with freedom. People are free to be as misinformed and stupid or as educated and smart as they want to be. We seem to have plenty from both sides of the spectrum. The problems you are worried about are very specific to 3 states in the south (Georgia, Mississippi, and Alabama). There are 47 other states that make up this blanket statement of "America" that are behaving quite rationally (except for Texas). But no one is going to report to other countries about how normal it is here. Normalcy is not a big seller.

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25-02-2013, 10:32 PM
RE: American education
(25-02-2013 10:10 PM)StorMFront Wrote:  
(25-02-2013 09:55 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  To be a "learning institute", one actually has to pass through its doors. And there aren't people on the fence between evolution and creationism visiting that museum in order to attain evidence to bring them to a conclusion. Atheists visit to poke fun and Creationists visit to feel better about their silly belief.

To be fair, it can affect kids. However, a kid would typically be brought their by someone who's already indoctrinating them in such foolishness, so I agree that the museum itself is ineffective.
Your point might make sense to you, but not to me. There is no fence, I was raised Catholic. I was taught evolution as fact. The vast majority of western society is with me. What the fuck is with America?

I didn't claim there was a fence... in fact, I stated that there "aren't people on the fence" on this topic.

If you want to have religious freedom (as America does) then one has to put up with religious beliefs and expressions of those beliefs... even if those beliefs are anti-science. That's why there are unscientific ideas being taught in America.

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25-02-2013, 10:59 PM (This post was last modified: 25-02-2013 11:03 PM by StorMFront.)
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How does an American determining what to believe or not to? Under anything goes?

Which I know it doesnt, yet most of your population thinks it does...

What the fuck is religious freedom, what you can believe whatever you wanted to? that a squirrel blew a load and created everything? Obviously, America isnt open to every belief.....or you would have massive amounts of beliefs in the States.

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25-02-2013, 11:06 PM
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Anyways back to my point, since you two havent answered....EDUCATION WISE?

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