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25-03-2012, 10:21 AM
RE: An Asexual Atheist
(24-03-2012 09:59 PM)Ghost Wrote:  Hey, Dom.

I think that the link between sex and religion is pretty clear as day. Does that mean I have to eat some rockolate mousse?



Sure there is a link - in people's thinking.

But sex is a physical drive, and while devout people may supress the drive, it is still there.

So, being "asexual" is a physical condition. If you simply do not have the desire, it's a physical thing. Since it differs from the majority, you may rationalize your lack of drive, but no matter what you come up with, it's still just a lack of the drive to procreate.

If you are happy without sex, I think you are the lucky one. Like I said, more people do more stupid things for sex than even wealth. Until hormones start to recede in midlife, the majority of people have their brains full of sexual thoughts, outweighing most rational thought. And come midlife, many have their personality built on their sexual capacity and whether it's true or not, they go on elevating sex in their lives. Sex is a god in many people's life.

The higher the hormone level, the more obsessed people are with sex. It's one area where we are pure animal, where ancient drives retained from the origin of life still totally dominate our lives. That is why religion supresses it, it is animalistic (and enjoyable, and we can't have that, can we now?).

Actually the chocolate mousse isn't a bad idea at all Smile Or chocolate truffles or chocolate... chocolate....
It is said that chocolate stimulates the same chemicals in your brain that are stimulated by "being in love". You get the uplifting part then without the surrounding issues in procuring sex.

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25-03-2012, 03:30 PM
RE: An Asexual Atheist
Hermaphrodites are not the same thing as organisms that reproduce asexually. Earth worms are hermaphrodites but they require another worm to procreate. If they didn't, you could tell all earth worms to go fuck themselves! Asexual reproduction only occurs when there is a single parent. Asexual reproduction is reproduction without the fusion of gamete cells.

Hey, Dom.

Quote:It is said that chocolate stimulates the same chemicals in your brain
that are stimulated by "being in love". You get the uplifting part then
without the surrounding issues in procuring sex.

Yeah, but I can't fuck a Snickers bar.... or can I.... BRB........................................ Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! That didn't work out at all!

The genetic sex drive and the memetic cultural norms that govern them form a complex system that must be viewed of a piece.

I get the disdain for religion's suppression of sex, but there isn't a single culture on the planet that doesn't have normative sexual behaviour. Those norms are what people think but they govern very real physical interactions. I'm not saying any one way in particular is right, just that there are ways.

To sound like a total clod, I have to believe that asexuality is a physical condition, because I cannot imagine anyone choosing that lifestyle. I can imagine it developing as some sort of phobia, but that's about it.

I don't think you can really say that people elevate sex and then turn around and explain it as the product of hormone levels in the same breath. And to be a Darwinistic stickler, none of our drives are ancient, they are all very current.

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25-03-2012, 04:16 PM
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(24-03-2012 11:23 AM)Stardust Wrote:  I am making an observation about what atheism can appear to imply--that an atheist is a sexually active individual.
I would never have thought that anyone perceived atheism as being about sexuality.

Some religions tend to be overly focused on sexuality. Whom you can have sex with, whom you can't, when it is allowed, when it is not, how many partners you are allowed (0,1 or more), what positions are allowed, whether you are allowed contraceptives, whether you have the right intent (recreation or procreation)...

Atheism doesn't seem to be concerned about sex at all.
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25-03-2012, 04:20 PM
RE: An Asexual Atheist
(25-03-2012 04:16 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(24-03-2012 11:23 AM)Stardust Wrote:  I am making an observation about what atheism can appear to imply--that an atheist is a sexually active individual.
I would never have thought that anyone perceived atheism as being about sexuality.

Some religions tend to be overly focused on sexuality. Whom you can have sex with, whom you can't, when it is allowed, when it is not, how many partners you are allowed (0,1 or more), what positions are allowed, whether you are allowed contraceptives, whether you have the right intent (recreation or procreation)...

Atheism doesn't seem to be concerned about sex at all.
I mean except when I ain't gettin' none. Wink

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25-03-2012, 04:34 PM
RE: An Asexual Atheist
(25-03-2012 03:30 PM)Ghost Wrote:  I don't think you can really say that people elevate sex and then turn around and explain it as the product of hormone levels in the same breath. And to be a Darwinistic stickler, none of our drives are ancient, they are all very current.

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Matt


Ok, I'll buy the Darwin, but procreation is the single strongest drive in all life forms. And always has been.

Hormones only dominate your sexuality until a certain age, when they start declining. Until then they dominate a lot more than you realize.

Young people have a strong drive to be where there are the most possible sexual partners, cities, concerts (ah, the concerts in the Hippie times, but it holds true still Smile ), clubs, any place that offers a wide selection of sexual partners.

Dress (fashion if you may) is dictated by what is considered at the time to be attractive to the opposite sex (or same sex as the case may be). Language (slang) - ditto. Choice of music - ditto.

And on and on. If you think about it, youth is a slave to sex. Sex dictates where you live, what you wear, how you talk, what music you listen to and what not. People actually don't develop much into individuals until later. Yeah, beat me up for saying that.

So, let's say now you're all grown up and hormones have started to recede. But, who wants to be labeled as old? So people start bragging and lying and popping viagra .... because the drive has receeded and they are plain scared of growing old. So - they elevate sex when the drive has actually receded and there is lots of room for other things to become important.

Eventually people realize that there are lots of other things to enjoy, the kids are gone and hopefully they are financially able to follow whatever has been their secondary attraction all this time. So you see older folk on cruises and other travels, planting rose gardens, painting etc etc etc. Solitary activities come into their own now that seeking out crowds is not a drive anymore and child rearing is not taking over one's life anymore.

Probably I really lucked out. At the height of my sexual drive it was the Hippie time - before AIDS and we had so much fun. Then came the Yuppie time - and I was a "young upwardly mobile professional", I became an entrepreneur. So I laid the foundation for later life.

Now I am old enough to know what I want and young enough to get it. It can't get any better than that.

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25-03-2012, 04:41 PM
RE: An Asexual Atheist
(25-03-2012 04:34 PM)Dom Wrote:  Now I am old enough to know what I want and young enough to get it. It can't get any better than that.
Sounds like time to share some chocolate. Wink

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25-03-2012, 04:46 PM
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Chocolate? Where? I need chocolate!

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25-03-2012, 05:42 PM
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When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought, WOW, a human that can reproduce all by himself/herself.

Oh, the disappointment Sad

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25-03-2012, 05:54 PM
RE: An Asexual Atheist
(25-03-2012 03:30 PM)Ghost Wrote:  Yeah, but I can't fuck a Snickers bar.... or can I.... BRB........................................ Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow!



I think you will do better if you find a chocolate crazed female and melt the snickers bar and.....

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25-03-2012, 09:17 PM
RE: An Asexual Atheist
(25-03-2012 04:16 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I would never have thought that anyone perceived atheism as being about sexuality.

Some religions tend to be overly focused on sexuality. Whom you can have sex with, whom you can't, when it is allowed, when it is not, how many partners you are allowed (0,1 or more), what positions are allowed, whether you are allowed contraceptives, whether you have the right intent (recreation or procreation)...

Atheism doesn't seem to be concerned about sex at all.
You are correct. Let me clarify what I said.

The first group of atheists I met were often focused on being as sexual as possible because the religion they left restricted their sexuality. They were very blatant about sex. I, however, was not interested in being sexual, even though I came from a religion that mandated marriage before sex, or else, no sex at all. So, to them, it appeared as though I was not being an Atheist.

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