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06-01-2017, 07:35 PM
RE: An Atheist who Found God
Boo-frickin-hoo

First sign of being challenged, you pick up your ball and go home. Pathetic. You post this on an atheist site, and... you... expected... what? ...exactly?

Theist of your ilk are vomit inducing. No backbone. No confidence. No education. No ability to stand up.

Go get circle jerked on a Christian forum and go give a sob story to your Sunday school class about the "mean ole atheist forum that hurt your feelings".

You need a lot of growing before you can enter the fray.

Do the other theists and me a favor and sack up or gtfo. Ain't got patience for weak minded cry babies.

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06-01-2017, 07:36 PM
RE: An Atheist who Found God
(06-01-2017 11:13 AM)Peter Slevon Wrote:  
(05-01-2017 10:54 AM)Chas Wrote:  You continue to conflate two meanings of "believe". Your whole argument is muddy, even nonsensical.

Facts are accepted. That is not belief in the sense of belief without evidence.
What are the two meanings of "believe" you allege I am conflating?
Evidence:
1. There is first hand evidence.
2. Then there is evidence that someone you know has. (The person's say so.)
3. Then there is reported evidence or hear say evidence.
Each if believed becomes one's knowledge.
Item 1 there would have to be good reason not to believe it.

Read what I wrote. Facepalm

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06-01-2017, 07:58 PM
RE: An Atheist who Found God
(holds up scorecard with 5.1) Didn't stick the landing on the flounce.
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06-01-2017, 08:07 PM
RE: An Atheist who Found God
(29-12-2016 01:25 PM)PeacefulHeart Wrote:  Hello, everyone. My name is Kathryn and I was an atheist for, at least, 15 years. Very recently, I became a Christian. I’ll get into that in a bit. First, I want to provide some background.

So, as young as age 10, I remember really despising the teachings of the Bible. I was very rebellious and vocal in Sunday school, openly criticizing God and stories like Lot’s wife and Abraham’s son. I said numerous times that, if God were real, I would never worship Him. The stories just seemed so inhumane and backwards that I came to conclude that God and the Bible were entirely fictitious and invented by people who thought morality and decent behavior wasn’t possible without religion, so they had to send fear into everyone with stories of Heaven and Hell. I never had any positive experiences with God. He really seemed to not be there at all. I thought the Christians around me were complete morons, incapable of critical thought for believing the Bible, and merely worshiping out of fear. When I was 14, I called myself an atheist. When I was around 15 or so, I read Richard Dawkins' book The God Delusion. I was very happy someone had put every argument I ever had against Christianity and religion into a book and I walked away for good, pretty much hating religion, but especially Christianity.

Aside from that, I grew up being a loner and a total nerd. Books, computers, science fiction television shows, and card collecting were my life. I did very well in school. I’ve always had a passion for education, learning, and bettering oneself intellectually. I loved math and science (still do). I loved math so much I would ask for extra math homework. I would even beg my teachers to let me skip recess so I could do more schoolwork. Even in elementary school, I enjoyed reading biology textbooks so much more than reading fiction. My dream was to pursue a college degree in every field imaginable and basically spend my life in academia.

So, I went off to college with dreams of studying biochemistry and genetics. I wanted to get a PhD and do epigenetics research. I was really fascinated with understanding how humans differed from one another at the smallest level. I loved this idea that humans are basically biological programs and our code is our DNA. I really wanted to spend my life in a laboratory, in solitude, conducting research that could somehow change everything. That didn’t work out for me though. Although I made great grades and got along well with my professors, early on I started to become incredibly overwhelmed. I felt like I was just mentally breaking down every semester and becoming increasingly unhealthy. I discovered I had Asperger’s Syndrome, now Autism Spectrum Disorder, and, even with accommodations, I was forced to drop out.

This was, to me, the worst thing that could’ve happened. It was my lifelong dream to get a PhD, and, for a while, it was like my world had shattered. I’d never gotten to the point where I just didn’t want to read another scientific article or pick up another chemistry textbook. It was like all of my passion got beaten out of me. A lot of people I knew who were becoming doctors, pursuing their PhD dream, attending top-tier schools, were utterly miserable in college, like myself, and I could see that was the road I was on.

Eventually, I moved on, and became happy I dropped out. I realized it really was for the best and pursued another STEM career. I was also living in this really neat city where almost no one was Christian, surrounded by other really smart people. I had money because my boyfriend had a really good job. There were lots of free activities, neat places to see, fun things to do, lots of shopping, and we traveled. It really seemed like we had everything. But after two years, it began to feel like it was just empty. I wasn’t depressed or anything. I just felt underwhelmed and began to ask myself, “Is this it?”

Then, on my birthday of this year, something completely unexpected happened to me. I had a vision, and I saw the Light of God. I don’t say that figuratively, although I understand if you wouldn’t believe me. I saw God’s Light. It was so pure, clean, and white. It was just glorious and I felt so much truth coming from the Light. Words fail to describe the beauty of what I saw and it was the most beautiful, profound experience of my life. I felt this amazing, amazing peace in my heart as well as forgiveness, love, purity, beauty, kindness. I knew God was this infinite Love and that He was the source of all love in ourselves and in the world. I could see how He stretched on for all eternity and was so much greater than the universe and that He created the universe. Immediately, part of the Bible verse Revelation 1:8 came to mind: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Anyway, after it happened, I fell to the floor and cried so much. It was the first time I ever felt I was lost without God. I knew how wrong I had been about the God of the Bible. I knew there is nothing bad about God and that He is pure and does everything for an ultimate good.

After that, I found a bunch of other people online who had such incredibly similar experiences that I was certain I wasn’t losing it. There are tons of videos on YouTube of people who’ve seen God, people who've seen Jesus, people with near death experiences who’ve died and went to Heaven, and people who were miraculously healed by God. I watched these and knew I wasn’t alone. I began to pray to God to prove to me if it was really Him, if He was really there, and to show me the way. I hadn’t prayed since I was, maybe, 14, and it felt very strange and awkward. But, God heard me. So many things have happened since, like feeling total joy, feeling complete lack of fear, feeling like I could die and go straight to Heaven because I felt Heaven in my heart. He’s answered all of my prayers and my life and my heart have changed so much.

Some things still remain. I still love learning, science, and education. I’m still pretty liberal. I still think I’m a critical thinker. Now, though, I don’t believe Christians are brainwashed idiots for believing anymore like I used to think. I cry now when someone says they’ll pray for me instead of becoming absolutely furious at what I perceived to be an unhelpful absurdity. I believe there is an afterlife. I feel I’ve come away with some useful understanding because of this experience and I wanted to share it with you. I would love the opportunity to post on the forum. I don’t hate atheists at all. All of my friends, except one, are atheists. My intention is to be respectful and not cross any boundaries. Given that, I think we could have some interesting debates together. Of course, I’m open to any questions you have. If you’ve managed to make it this far, thanks for reading!

So, did god kick out the ass burgers?
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06-01-2017, 08:34 PM
RE: An Atheist who Found God
The thing is Kathryn - aka Peaceful (rage quit) Heart - had a vision that presumably only she could see.
Did this vision cure any children with terminal diseases ? or maybe help an old lady across the street ?

NO, everything in Kathryn's life remained the same, except now she's a bit wackier.

She claims she was visited by an all powerful god who did NOTHING.
Kathryn - the belief in something that does nothing is called having a pet rock.

Did any of this not make your skeptical spidey sense tingle ?
Maybe just a bit ?

So I, just like many others here, believe that you are a liar.
You have lied about being an atheist or perhaps you're lying about what you experienced or both.

I don't know, nor do I really care.
I suggest you get a pet rock and call it a day. It's much cheaper than a god.

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06-01-2017, 09:39 PM
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(06-01-2017 04:04 PM)PeacefulHeart Wrote:  I've decided I'm leaving. I don't feel welcomed here. I've feel I’ve been mocked, belittled, and derided. I shouldn’t have responded to these comments or to the invasions of my privacy and personal health as I did. I don't feel this is an atmosphere of civil, friendly debate or discussion. I'm a human being and I don't deserve to be treated this way. Thank you to the few of you who showed me some kindness. Blessings to you all.

I don''t know what you expected, but unreason is derided here. I hope you once again find reason.

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06-01-2017, 09:54 PM
RE: An Atheist who Found God
(06-01-2017 08:34 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I suggest you get a pet rock and call it a day. It's much cheaper than a god.

Consider

Would have saved my grandmother thousands of dollars and brought the exact same result.


But as if to knock me down, reality came around
And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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06-01-2017, 10:48 PM
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(06-01-2017 06:59 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 04:04 PM)PeacefulHeart Wrote:  I've decided I'm leaving. I don't feel welcomed here. I've feel I’ve been mocked, belittled, and derided. I shouldn’t have responded to these comments or to the invasions of my privacy and personal health as I did. I don't feel this is an atmosphere of civil, friendly debate or discussion. I'm a human being and I don't deserve to be treated this way. Thank you to the few of you who showed me some kindness. Blessings to you all.

But wait, I asked questions I still want answers to. I wanted to have a debate or a discussion on this God vision you had.

No, Sita! You don't get answers because you didn't surrender yourself to Jesus immediately upon reading Peacefulheart's testimony. If you had been willing to do that , then maybe she'd still be here! This is your own fault.
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06-01-2017, 11:12 PM
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(06-01-2017 04:04 PM)PeacefulHeart Wrote:  I've decided I'm leaving. I don't feel welcomed here. I've feel I’ve been mocked, belittled, and derided. I shouldn’t have responded to these comments or to the invasions of my privacy and personal health as I did. I don't feel this is an atmosphere of civil, friendly debate or discussion. I'm a human being and I don't deserve to be treated this way. Thank you to the few of you who showed me some kindness. Blessings to you all.

Seriously? You came to an atheist forum and posted your tale of conversion. Then rather than answering any of our questions you buggered off into the wilderness for a week or two, making it look like you're a driveby who doesn't give a damn. After all that you get pissy because some people weren't welcoming and respectful? What did you expect? Your entire thread was a recipe for disaster from stem to stern.

I'll tell you what, log on to a nice, welcoming Christian board and make a post about your conversion to atheism. Let that simmer unattended for a few weeks then compare and contrast.

You get an F for Effort.

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07-01-2017, 12:45 AM
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(06-01-2017 11:12 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Seriously? You came to an atheist forum and posted your tale of conversion. Then rather than answering any of our questions you buggered off into the wilderness for a week or two, making it look like you're a driveby who doesn't give a damn. After all that you get pissy because some people weren't welcoming and respectful? What did you expect? Your entire thread was a recipe for disaster from stem to stern.

I'll tell you what, log on to a nice, welcoming Christian board and make a post about your conversion to atheism. Let that simmer unattended for a few weeks then compare and contrast.

You get an F for Effort.

That's a good point. (All of it, but especially the part I bolded.)

I do think it's a little funny that the Protestant Christian in this thread was harsher and more offended by that post than the rest of us seem to have been-- and rightfully so.

Wonder if she'll go report that part of the exchange to her Christian echo chamber, when she goes to tell them how nasty the atheists were?

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