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09-03-2015, 11:35 AM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 10:28 AM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  I suggest you watch this lecture by Neil deGrasse Tyson, In defence of the Big Bang

Below is a quote (I'm not sure it's literally the same, but Neil says the same things in the video):

"Scientific evidence in support of a theory sometimes takes you places where your senses have never been. Common sense is that human ability to assess a situation you have never seen before by invoking life experiences derived from your five senses. But twentieth-century science has largely been built upon data that was, and continues to be, collected with all manner of tools that enable us to see the universe in decidedly uncommon ways. As a consequence, while we have always required that a theory make mathematical sense, we no longer require that a theory make common sense. We simply demand that it be consistent with the results of observations and experiments. This posture has enabled profound, yet remarkably counterintuitive branches of physics, such as relativity, quantum mechanics, and big bang cosmology to arise."

Yes, just because something is illogical doesn't mean it isn't true.
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09-03-2015, 11:36 AM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 10:32 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:19 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  So the quantum world is materialistic? I'm sorry, I don't know much about quantum mechanics, but I really want to learn more. Kind of busy right now.

So, why did you bring it up in your OP?

I am just putting ideas out there and anyone is more than welcome to tear them down if they are wrong.
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09-03-2015, 11:40 AM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 11:35 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:28 AM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  I suggest you watch this lecture by Neil deGrasse Tyson, In defence of the Big Bang

Below is a quote (I'm not sure it's literally the same, but Neil says the same things in the video):

"Scientific evidence in support of a theory sometimes takes you places where your senses have never been. Common sense is that human ability to assess a situation you have never seen before by invoking life experiences derived from your five senses. But twentieth-century science has largely been built upon data that was, and continues to be, collected with all manner of tools that enable us to see the universe in decidedly uncommon ways. As a consequence, while we have always required that a theory make mathematical sense, we no longer require that a theory make common sense. We simply demand that it be consistent with the results of observations and experiments. This posture has enabled profound, yet remarkably counterintuitive branches of physics, such as relativity, quantum mechanics, and big bang cosmology to arise."

Yes, just because something is illogical doesn't mean it isn't true.

Yes but scientific theories, although they sound illogical to the common people, are "true" because there is evidence to support that. A lot of it in fact.

If you can't find evidence for something that seems illogical, it's best to reserve judgement (and belief) until further investigation brings something to the table.

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09-03-2015, 11:44 AM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 10:32 AM)Nurse Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:22 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  I mean if the thought of God doesn't make you happy then why even be bothered with that kind of God. Find a God that you can put up with and if he does exist then great.

This line of reasoning made me think of this:

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I'd love to conjure up a goddess made of fuzzy bunnies and pink clouds that sends happy vibes and orgasms (hmm that may be redundant) my way, but it ain't gonna happen.

Anything is possible with technology.
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09-03-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 11:26 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:22 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  Find a God that you can put up with and if he does exist then great.

That makes no sense at all to me. Why do you have a need to find a god at all? Are you just looking to make up something you find comforting whether it is true or not? I couldn't live like that.


What I should've said was that you should only follow God(if he exists) if he is the kind of God you would like. Otherwise, you should be a rebel.
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09-03-2015, 12:34 PM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 11:44 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:32 AM)Nurse Wrote:  This line of reasoning made me think of this:

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I'd love to conjure up a goddess made of fuzzy bunnies and pink clouds that sends happy vibes and orgasms (hmm that may be redundant) my way, but it ain't gonna happen.

Anything is possible with technology.

That's charmingly optimistic, but false.

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09-03-2015, 01:12 PM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 10:22 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:15 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  The first thing you need to do is define this god you speak of. What are its attributes? If you don’t know what they are then how can we even begin to discuss it?


I try to think of a God that makes sense. The New Age God or a God that lets you make decisions and learn at your own pace makes more sense than the other religions. I am agnostic either way. I don't know whether to believe that God exists or doesn't exist. I mean if the thought of God doesn't make you happy then why even be bothered with that kind of God. Find a God that you can put up with and if he does exist then great.

I don’t even...

Unfortunately your line of thinking is replete throughtout human history. All gods have been “thought up”. Some imaginary beings required blood sacrifices and others 10% tithing Dodgy

There are all sorts of god flavors out there already, none proven to exist. A close analogy would be that of a guy in the desert dying of heat exhaustion and dreaming up ice cream flavors. Only in this case we KNOW ice cream exists.

You say you’re agnostic, great, why don’t you simply wait until “evidence” of a god is shown to you and in the meantime go about your life without making stuff up?

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09-03-2015, 03:40 PM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 11:35 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:22 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  I try to think of a God that makes sense. The New Age God or a God that lets you make decisions and learn at your own pace makes more sense than the other religions. I am agnostic either way. I don't know whether to believe that God exists or doesn't exist. I mean if the thought of God doesn't make you happy then why even be bothered with that kind of God. Find a God that you can put up with and if he does exist then great.

It sounds like you're starting with wanting there to be a god and therefore looking for the god that suits you best. Frankly, that's really odd.

It makes far more sense to me to look at what is and then see if there is anything that exists among what is that would be deserving of the label "god". That requires a working definition of "god". Offhand, a being that doesn't make sense doesn't seem like much of a "god" to me.


Just because something doesn't make sense doesn't mean it isn't real.
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09-03-2015, 03:42 PM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 12:34 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 11:44 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  Anything is possible with technology.

That's charmingly optimistic, but false.

How so?
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09-03-2015, 03:44 PM
RE: An Illogical God?
(09-03-2015 01:12 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(09-03-2015 10:22 AM)NumberDigit Wrote:  I try to think of a God that makes sense. The New Age God or a God that lets you make decisions and learn at your own pace makes more sense than the other religions. I am agnostic either way. I don't know whether to believe that God exists or doesn't exist. I mean if the thought of God doesn't make you happy then why even be bothered with that kind of God. Find a God that you can put up with and if he does exist then great.

I don’t even...

Unfortunately your line of thinking is replete throughtout human history. All gods have been “thought up”. Some imaginary beings required blood sacrifices and others 10% tithing Dodgy

There are all sorts of god flavors out there already, none proven to exist. A close analogy would be that of a guy in the desert dying of heat exhaustion and dreaming up ice cream flavors. Only in this case we KNOW ice cream exists.

You say you’re agnostic, great, why don’t you simply wait until “evidence” of a god is shown to you and in the meantime go about your life without making stuff up?

I am doing that. Making something up and saying it is true are two different things.
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