An atheist is not a kafir?
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12-06-2014, 07:25 PM
An atheist is not a kafir?
"In the Koran an 'inbeliever' (kafir bi na'mat al-Lah) is not an atheist in our sense of the word, somebody who does jot believe in God, but one who is ungrateful to him, who can see quite clearly what is owing to God but refuses to honor him in a spirit of perverse ingratitude." - Karen Armstrong from A History of God

What do you think of this? Is an atheist a subcategory of the definition of kafir, advocated by certain religious scholars and politicians?
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12-06-2014, 07:41 PM
Re: An atheist is not a kafir?
I think a majority of a masque/church load of religious folks would consider non belief a lack of gratitude or dishonoring to their god.

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12-06-2014, 07:45 PM
RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
(12-06-2014 07:25 PM)rizzzzzzzzzzzz Wrote:  ...
Is an atheist a subcategory of the definition of kafir,
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Good question. But I'd say no... by definition.

Someone cannot be ungrateful to an entity in whose existence they do not believe.

It seems to me that to be "ungrateful to him", one has to believe "he" exists... hence a theist.

We are 'infidels'... the unfaithful... fide; faith... lack of.

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12-06-2014, 07:50 PM
RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
The quran is pork.

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12-06-2014, 08:36 PM
Re: RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
(12-06-2014 07:50 PM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  The quran is pork.
The Koran is more like a reminder than a commandment. Not pork haha can we turn it to delicious bacon?
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12-06-2014, 08:41 PM
Re: RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
(12-06-2014 07:45 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 07:25 PM)rizzzzzzzzzzzz Wrote:  ...
Is an atheist a subcategory of the definition of kafir,
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Good question. But I'd say no... by definition.

Someone cannot be ungrateful to an entity in whose existence they do not believe.

But those who believe have their own perspective, and theirs are enforced with the Koran and all the relevant hadith. Which makes the inbelievers more like asses rather than reasonable beings.
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12-06-2014, 08:50 PM
RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
(12-06-2014 08:36 PM)rizzzzzzzzzzzz Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 07:50 PM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  The quran is pork.
The Koran is more like a reminder than a commandment. Not pork haha can we turn it to delicious bacon?
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Pork where I live means "it fucking sucks ass"

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12-06-2014, 09:14 PM
RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
I suspect this definition follows Sye's line of reasoning that everyone has sufficient knowledge of a god to condemn them, so anyone who says they don't believe is just deceiving themselves and suppressing their true knowledge. That is, you can know something without believing it and that individuals who say they don't believe are in fact deliberately failing to honour him in some kind of perverse attitude. To this religious mindset true atheists don't really exist and instead are kafir.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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12-06-2014, 09:29 PM
RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
I have no clue what any of this has to do with kefir.

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12-06-2014, 09:32 PM
RE: An atheist is not a kafir?
(12-06-2014 09:29 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I have no clue what any of this has to do with kefir.

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Me neither, but you just reminded me I got cookies Banana_zorro

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