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09-01-2015, 03:15 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
(09-01-2015 02:23 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 02:08 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Yes. So here's an example. A person is caught under a drawbridge counterweight. If I pull the lever, they die, but the train coming to the bridge gets across. If I don't pull the lever, they live but the 200 train passengers die. I pull the lever. The press ask how I found the resolve to kill one person to save many and I say, "I love God and God wanted me to be strong enough to save as many as I could."

Cool story, here's another one that actually happened:

Children Of Mother Who Drove Van Into Ocean Say 'Mom Tried To Kill Us'

Jesus spoke to her, she obeyed.

How many posts will it take for me to patiently explain to you that following the Bible can be much different than following auditory hallucinations or one's personal schizophrenia, or Satan's promptings.

People can study the original Bible languages, critique and discuss the lengthy discourses and prophecies within, debate the authenticity of the authorship. These kinds of studies are the province of rational, reasoning adults more so than driving your van into the ocean.

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
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09-01-2015, 04:01 PM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2015 04:17 PM by TheInquisition.)
RE: An atheist reads the bible
(09-01-2015 03:15 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 02:23 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Cool story, here's another one that actually happened:

Children Of Mother Who Drove Van Into Ocean Say 'Mom Tried To Kill Us'

Jesus spoke to her, she obeyed.

How many posts will it take for me to patiently explain to you that following the Bible can be much different than following auditory hallucinations or one's personal schizophrenia, or Satan's promptings.

People can study the original Bible languages, critique and discuss the lengthy discourses and prophecies within, debate the authenticity of the authorship. These kinds of studies are the province of rational, reasoning adults more so than driving your van into the ocean.

He studied the bible, heard the voice of god:

Jim Jones

He studied the bible, heard the voice of god:

Fred Phelps

He studied the bible, heard the voice of god:

Joseph Smith

He studied the bible, heard the voice of god:

Marshall Applewhite


So many choices of biblical truth, but hey life's a journey, not a destination. Except Applewhite's destination was to a mothership behind a comet before a mass suicide.

Here's a tip, when you start asserting your book is the word of god, you've already failed.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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09-01-2015, 04:31 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
(09-01-2015 03:15 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  How many posts will it take for me to patiently explain to you that following the Bible can be much different than following auditory hallucinations or one's personal schizophrenia, or Satan's promptings.

People can study the original Bible languages, critique and discuss the lengthy discourses and prophecies within, debate the authenticity of the authorship.

How do you honestly discern between a hallucination, mental disorder, satan, or god when a person claims of having a revelation from something other than themself? How is answering the calling of god any different than the other mentioned conditions for receiving mental messages?

Also, if the authenticity and authorship is up for debate between rational minds, then what makes any work of ancient scripture valid enough to follow and base one's life on the teachings?

You make no sense there Q, and it is puzzling how you can look at your posts and not understand why we call you out on bullshit so many times.

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09-01-2015, 04:55 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
I missed this thread. There is a YouTube channel called The Bible Reloaded where atheists read the Bible and talk about the authorship, historical evidence against/for it, and the crazy stuff in it while cracking some jokes, preferably sexual ones. I'm on my phone currently and can't link it but it should be Google-able.
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09-01-2015, 05:24 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
(09-01-2015 03:11 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 02:22 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Wow, has it really taken you all this time to come up with a way to try to weasel out of your obnoxiously immoral statement? The kind of dilemma you outline is common in discussions of ethics and no "love of god" is ever needed to come to a conclusion either way when faced with a choice like that.

Not at all. That's the example I had in mind when I first wrote it. I merely challenged those at this forum to think outside the box and justify my statement. It's called the Socratic method and walking in another's shoes.

Bullshit. You would have said something then if that were the case. I do not believe you and I think you are just trying to backtrack because you know what you said was despicable.

Quote:And yes, the dilemma I mentioned is common in ethics discussions without a solution. Jesus died, the One for the many. Star Trek 101, man. Or at least what we call Q call The Wrath of Khan.

It is common because it is not a problem with a clear right or wrong answer. Your "love for god" nonsense doesn't help because you can't say that it gives any clearer or better answer than a humanist who has a respect for human life. In both cases the decision to allow one to die to save hundreds is the same.

I had been ignoring you for a long time because your claims are just too ridiculous to take seriously. I'm sorry I wasted my time on your nonsense again.

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09-01-2015, 10:01 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
(07-01-2015 05:04 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  ... perhaps the bible will seem a little more like porn.

With a main character finally getting horny for the first time at age 500 (how fun it must have been to be an alluring fertile young woman with a stalker like that at large - "at large" most likely only rhetorical but alarming enough since whatever moisture managed to seep out could still impregnate) ---

(07-01-2015 05:04 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  ... maybe my porn idea isn't so good.

I'll say. Do you have any idea how stale the popcorn would get waiting for one of these patriarchs to harden up?
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10-01-2015, 12:55 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
It's vexing to have people say "God is evil because He isn't doing something about a problem that I'm not doing anything about either."

You claim your god is omnipotent. He therefore does not care to do something or is not omnipotent....or simply doesn't exist. Why should it matter to your god if I do anything?
Your god is dependent upon my actions?

How many posts will it take for me to patiently explain to you that following the Bible can be much different than following auditory hallucinations or one's personal schizophrenia, or Satan's promptings.

It is possible that YOU are having hallucinations or suffering from schizophrenia. You should have an evaluation.

And, yes, I do what I can to "help". I see no help from your god.

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10-01-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
(09-01-2015 12:32 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  You skipped the fact that religious altruists cite religion, faith and the calling of God as the spur to action. My God has left in the scriptures such a call to action. I have his Word and go from there.
Abraham took his son out back, and swung a knife with full intent "because god told him to do so", or so the bible says...

Do you think this story instructs people to do as god commands, without question, no matter how horrific?
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10-01-2015, 03:55 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
The real problem I have with the bible is half the time I have no idea what the hell I am reading. Half of what I read I have no idea what the hell its trying to say lol.

That old style of writing is confusing.


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10-01-2015, 09:16 PM
RE: An atheist reads the bible
(09-01-2015 10:46 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 11:08 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  God answered some of your big prayers this morning? Oh goodie, goodie for you. Oh yippie, skippie. You must be a super duper special kind of fella.

Guess god was too busy answering your prayers to help this child and the hundred- thousand just like him or her.

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Let me tell you, if your god does exist then he's the most immoral ass hole this side of the Milky Way or he's powerless or....... he simply doesn't exist.

I'm more moral than your god (if he exists) because were I god there's no way I'd let babies suffer like this. No way!

God can answer prayers through His servants. As his servant, I support several families, formerly three families in Africa, now one family. You? And if you're doing nothing to help other than complain, should God judge Himself or you as uncaring?

I say that respectfully. It's vexing to have people say "God is evil because He isn't doing something about a problem that I'm not doing anything about either."



Yes, I volunteer and help other people. I donate to charities and I can't afford it either. I do it not because I'm someones "servant". I help people not because I'm trying to please some deity who, it seems, can't lift a finger to ease anyones suffering, I do it because it's so overwhelmingly heartbreaking to see such pain that I can't imagine anyone, anywhere who has even the slightest bit of ability not helping to ease such pain.

And if your god exists and needs "servants" to do his bidding then he's even one hundred times more of an ass hole than I imagined.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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