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05-11-2014, 05:26 AM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2014 06:35 AM by DLJ.)
RE: An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(04-04-2011 02:35 AM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  First off, I'm skipping the whole "how were plants created before light/photosynthesis, how was light created before the sun, contradictions of which was created first" word games. Those take up too much time and words and pie.

God was the light then.

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

-The moon is not a light, it is a reflection of the sun's light. This is the first of many examples that suggest that God's omnipotence seems to be limited to the knowledge of the demographics and time period of when the Bible was written. Strange.

This verse can mean 2 things: It gives light, or you can see light on it.


1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"[

-Our? Just how many gods are there?

Trinity

2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."

-even though they say that God only "rested" to set an example of how would should rest on the 7th day, couldn't the Bible just say "rest on Sunday" ??(question mark)? It clearly says God rested, which means that this all-powerful being was worn out from all those valleys and hills and Wyoming and platypuses.

Anyone can chill.

The Garden and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

-Sooooo... God takes these 2 newly formed, ignorant to life humans, puts them in a garden with a tree bearing food, nonchalantly goes "don't eat from it" ... then leaves... to go make Venus, I guess. And you know the rest.

So... WHY did he put them near the tree? WHY did he have that which he didn't want humans to attain be edible and tempting? WHY did he leave? WHY did he allow Satan the Snake to be in the garden, knowing full well that he would tempt them? Why did God design these 2 humans to be susceptible to temptation?

Then God comes strolling by (3:8 "walking in the garden in the cool of the day") at the PRECISE moment after they eat the fruit and goes "whoa whoa, what's going on here?" (I'm paraphrasing, of course)

It's like having a 2 year old child and going "Now son, I'm going to leave these delicious chocolate chip cookies sitting right here within reach of you. I'm going to the store to buy some Funyuns. Don't eat them. Bye!" When any caring parent would remove temptation, knowing that the child doesn't know any better.

So it's quite obvious to me that God WANTED man to F up royally. God created man with the sole purpose of imposing "original sin" upon him, so that he may feel guilty and grovel and ask forgiveness for something that wasn't his fault for all eternity.

That child who ate the cookies is now 40 and the parent is still bringing it up daily. "I don't care if you saved an orphanage from burning down today... remember when I told you not to eat those cookies and you did?"

1. He let them get tempted: If he didn't, we would have no full free will.
2. God won't keep bringing up your sins if you repent of them.


Cain slays Abel and is "cast out" arbitrarily from one remote location of this empty world to another random remote location. Then he worries that "every one that findeth me shall slay me."

-This is a strange worry since he is 1 of 3 people in existence. Then he sleeps with his wife to start the incestual chain of humanity... but where did his wife come from?

He is referring to future people, and he either got a wife from his rib or one of his sisters. There was nothing wrong with this then because:
1. There was no other option.
2. The babies wouldn't be deformed because they had no faulty genes.
3. The law against it wasn't enforced.
4. There was no one to tattle to.


6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days"

-I'm assuming these are literal giants and not "intellectual giants" or some modern term.

Why does that matter?

Then the Lord decides that all humanity is corrupt and needs to be massacred via flood.

-One... why the need for an elaborate flood? Why not just use your God powers and make every one not exist? You can only create from nothing, not turn into nothing? Two, were we not already told that men were made in His image? So either God is evil and corrupt, which is why we turned out like we did before and after the flood... or he is incapable of creating things how he wants. God is a flawed designer.

Maybe that's why he doesn't show his face anymore. He tried once, messed up and started over. Then he was like "whoa hold on, hold on. No, stop making more people. Wait, why did you kill that guy? Stop fucking! There's too many of you already! You know what!? Fuck this, I'm out!"

1. God has creative license.

2. I don't get why we need to be perfect to be made in God's image. All we would need is to be a trinity (Mind, body, soul), and have a inherently good moral conscience.

3. It's not that God is not capable of making beings he wanted: He wanted to give us free-will, and he did. He didn't want to choose for us, and he didn't.


Then there's the Ark which I won't discuss do to redundancy. There are thousands of videos mocking this obvious nonsensical fairy tale already. The average thinker explaining the flaws of Noah and his ark is analogous to a world renowned chemist giving a lecture on the validity of alchemy.

1. God can work through logical flaws because he is God.

2. There's old stories about huge floods in all kinds of religions, he can't deny that something at least similar happened.



Then Noah (the only righteous man in the world) gets hammered on wine and passes out naked.

Ecclesiastes 7:20


Then the humans build an impressive tower and God (completely caught off guard) confuses them by making them speak multiple languages because their tower was more impressive than the one he made in shop class.

God was not caught off guard, and the building was not better than the mountains, space, sky, oceans, trees, etc.


Many pages of slaves and servitude and historical inaccuracies and more incest

And many verses like Leviticus 25:43, Colossians 4:1, and Pslam 18:30.

18:9 "And God said unto him, 'Where is Sarah thy wife?'" You're omnipotent, God. Quit messing with me. And stop asking about my wife, perv.

It's in the same way a parent would ask the child "What have you done?!" when they already know.

Lot offers his virgin daughters to a mob of rapists to appease their lust for the sexually attractive angels

lol


God burns Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground, including all those "evil" children and newborn babies.

Those went to Heaven, and they would have grown up wickedly.


God turns Lot's wife in a pillar of salt just for kicks and giggles. Why exactly was it so wrong to look back at a village being assaulted by fire raining from the sky? If no one was supposed to look, perhaps God could've made the destruction a little more subtle.

Luke 9:62

Lot's daughters got their father drunk, then raped him." Yeah, I've been really drunk before, even drunk, high, and on acid at the same time. And not once during that time would I have "mistakenly" slept with my family members. Especially since they lived in a cave, separate from anyone that could have been confused for a bar skank.

"And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth" They wanted to continue their seed.

21:1 "And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. For Sarah conceived..."

-God made a booty call

What?

For some reason, God takes human form and wrestles Jacob. He is losing so he cheats and gropes Jacob's inner thigh.

Why does that have any significance?

Various pages discerning which parts of the penis to chop off.

This must not even be serious anymore.


Onan is murdered by God for spooging on the ground instead of impregnating his brother's wife.

"And the thing which he did displeased the Lord". In other words, it was sin.


A 7000 page story about Joseph being thought dead, but actually not.

"This must not even be serious anymore."

Anyways, this whole thing is too useless to continue any further. Get into Christ in the Old Testament (Such as Man appointed mortal sorrow, and Isaac's sacrifice), and the root of Christianity itself.
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05-11-2014, 06:45 AM
RE: An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(05-11-2014 05:26 AM)Nintentacle Wrote:  ...

This must not even be serious anymore.

...

Satire bypass?

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08-06-2015, 09:08 AM
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its good how you have put the bible up but whats more important then that is getting the spirit of message when you read it. words havent been invented to describe its verses yet. ive read it personally and there is not mistakes either.
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09-06-2015, 08:40 AM
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(08-06-2015 09:08 AM)prycejosh Wrote:  its good how you have put the bible up but whats more important then that is getting the spirit of message when you read it. words havent been invented to describe its verses yet. ive read it personally and there is not mistakes either.

actually it is riddled with mistakes. If you remove the pseudepigrapha, interpolations, allegorical writings and parables you wouldn't have enough left to wipe your ass on. If you would like me to school you indepth on the degree of fiction, forgery and fantasy of which the bible is full of, feel free to ask.

By the way, since you have "read the bible" let me ask you a couple questions...

How do you know jesus said any of the alleged statements contributed to him when the fact remains proven that not one single person who EVER wrote of jesus, whether Christian or contemporary, knew him....not one person. Fact, and I can prove it.

Are you aware that the Synoptic gospels were not written by Mark, Matthew, Luke and John as per Christian tradition, and that this fact is acknowledged and even articulated in all modern Christian university textbooks? Fact, and I can prove it.

Who wrote the Pentateuch? If you say Moses, you fail yet again, as he never existed. One of many constructs within the bible.

Doubt me? Good. I can delve into this and prove it to such a degree that you will be left sitting with your mouth open as you try to comprehend the deluge of facts I will rain upon you....doubt that? good, then go to the boxing ring area and invite me to a one on one debate. Come, don't be scared, articulate, validate and substantiate your faith...bring your A game because I don't waste my time with those who have no knowledge of their own faith outside of a quick lesson or two.

Click below, new thread, subject I invite GWG to a debate, and I will come. I enjoy civil, intellectual discourse on this subject...come....I have much to teach you, and perhaps you may teach me a few things as well.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...oxing-Ring

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09-06-2015, 08:49 AM
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And still they come, like lambs to the slaughter Tongue

Although, this wouldn't be a fair fight. Looking through this guys posts he struggles with the correct uses of "there, their and they're"... Wink

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09-06-2015, 02:07 PM
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(08-06-2015 09:08 AM)prycejosh Wrote:  words havent been invented to describe its verses yet.

Sure they have, let's try stupid, contradictory, idiotic, primitive, savage and bloodthirsty for starters. Thumbsup

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02-09-2015, 07:09 PM
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BUDDY CHRIST: First off, I'm skipping the whole "how were plants created before light/photosynthesis, how was light created before the sun, contradictions of which was created first" word games. Those take up too much time and words and pie.
ALLA:1) Genesis doesn't claim that God created light. Genesis doesn't claim that before God created Sun He didn't create other sources of light.

BUDDY CHRIST: 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
-The moon is not a light, it is a reflection of the sun's light. This is the first of many examples that suggest that God's omnipotence seems to be limited to the knowledge of the demographics and time period of when the Bible was written. Strange.
ALLA: to men Moon is source of light at night. That is all that author of Genesis was saying. God doesn't care how author of Genesis called Moon. The most important thing that Moon was created by God and that Moon is TRULLY can be called "source of light" at night.

BUDDY CHRIST:
1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
Our? Just how many gods are there?
ALLA: many. That many that men don't even know that number. But Moses was talking about Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. MALE ADAM was created in Their likeness and image; and Heavenly Mother. FEMALE EVE was created in Her likeness and image.

(to be continued...)

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03-09-2015, 02:12 PM
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BUDDY CHRIST:
-even though they say that God only "rested" to set an example of how would should rest on the 7th day, couldn't the Bible just say "rest on Sunday" ??(question mark)? It clearly says God rested, which means that this all-powerful being was worn out from all those valleys and hills and Wyoming and platypuses.
ALLA:
No, it doesn't mean that He worn out. It means that He stopped for a while before creating new universe.

BUDDY CHRIST:
-Sooooo... God takes these 2 newly formed, ignorant to life humans, puts them in a garden with a tree bearing food, nonchalantly goes "don't eat from it" ... then leaves... to go make Venus, I guess. And you know the rest.
ALLA:
or He was busy instructing all His children who will soon become children of Adam and Eve.

BUDDY CHRIST:
So... WHY did he put them near the tree? WHY did he have that which he didn't want humans to attain be edible and tempting? WHY did he leave? WHY did he allow Satan the Snake to be in the garden, knowing full well that he would tempt them? Why did God design these 2 humans to be susceptible to temptation?
God's wanted them to eat fruit. That is why He planted in the garden that is why He sent Devil on Earth, that is why He gave them moral agency. Bu God couldn't make them eat fruit. God can't force them to become mortal. God couldn't force them to learn evil.
So, they had to chose to die and learn all kind of evil from their own experience.
So, if God couldn't force them but it was very important that they would become mortal and learn evil, what could He do? He had to place fruit in the garden(easy access), He had to provide Devil who would tempt them(devil didn't know about God's plan). Devil had no idea that he played important role in plan of salvation. If he knew he wouldn't tempt Adam and Eve.
God had to make Adam and Eve to have a desire to partake of fruit. Eve was deceived but NOT Adam. Adam partook the fruit for completely different reason.
Eve partook because she wanted to be wise and fruit was pleasant for her eye and very desirable.
Adam didn't care about this. Adam had to make a choice:
God gave us two commandments: 1)let man to leave his FATHER and MOTHER and cleave to his WIFE and multiply and replenish, 2)do not partake the fruit.
Adam knew that his wife partook the fruit and will die(meaning she can't be with him in the garden). Adam had to choose:
do I stay in the garden or do I LEAVE my FATHER and my MOTHER and cleave to my wife and multiply and replenish the earth?
Adam chose to leave his Father. He partook of the fruit.
God was very pleased. His plan didn't fail.

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03-09-2015, 02:40 PM
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BUDDY CHRIST:
It's like having a 2 year old child and going "Now son, I'm going to leave these delicious chocolate chip cookies sitting right here within reach of you. I'm going to the store to buy some Funyuns. Don't eat them. Bye!" When any caring parent would remove temptation, knowing that the child doesn't know any better.

ALLA:
God's plan that Adam and Eve would become like Gods who know good and evil. In order to learn evil someone has to be in the world where there is evil and all kinds of evil experiences. Only fallen people can be in the world where there is evil. So, Adam and Eve had to become fallen or sinners in order to become like Gods by learning good and evil in the world where there is evil.
God gave them 2 laws: multiply and replenish and do not partake of the fruit. By breaking the second law they could become fallen and to learn good and evil and to become like Gods.

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03-09-2015, 03:37 PM
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(03-09-2015 02:40 PM)Alla Wrote:  BUDDY CHRIST:
It's like having a 2 year old child and going "Now son, I'm going to leave these delicious chocolate chip cookies sitting right here within reach of you. I'm going to the store to buy some Funyuns. Don't eat them. Bye!" When any caring parent would remove temptation, knowing that the child doesn't know any better.

ALLA:
God's plan that Adam and Eve would become like Gods who know good and evil. In order to learn evil someone has to be in the world where there is evil and all kinds of evil experiences. Only fallen people can be in the world where there is evil. So, Adam and Eve had to become fallen or sinners in order to become like Gods by learning good and evil in the world where there is evil.
God gave them 2 laws: multiply and replenish and do not partake of the fruit. By breaking the second law they could become fallen and to learn good and evil and to become like Gods.

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