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13-03-2012, 12:03 PM
RE: An atheist's critique of the Bible
So... freedom never came back to defend himself?

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13-03-2012, 12:30 PM
RE: An atheist's critique of the Bible
(13-03-2012 12:03 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  So... freedumb never came back to defend himself?

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14-03-2012, 02:36 AM
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(12-03-2012 05:52 AM)Dust Wrote:  
(11-03-2012 12:11 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  I think you'll find Zoroastrianism closer to Judaism and Mithraism influencing maybe Judaism too, but certainly Christianity.

The Jews picked up the idea of 1 Creator God who battles evil while they were in their Babylonian and Persian captivities. The priests who were writing the OT at that time because they were so bored for staying in exile for 70 years, used the idea of 1 god to be portrayed by a former garden variety small-time god named YHWH.

Interesting. I should probably make some more research about Zoroastrianism.

I have a blog on Mithraism you might learn something from...http://www.markfulton.org/mithraism
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14-03-2012, 01:10 PM
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Quote:I have a blog on Mithraism you might learn something from...http://www.markfulton.org/mithraism

"Mithras sacrificed himself by dying on a cross for the sins of mankind. His body was laid to rest in a rock tomb. He descended into the underworld, and then conquered death by rising to life again three days later."

Do you have any direct reference to this? I've seen several places noting similarity, but not this similar.
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15-03-2012, 01:08 AM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2012 01:40 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: An atheist's critique of the Bible
(14-03-2012 01:10 PM)Dust Wrote:  
Quote:I have a blog on Mithraism you might learn something from...http://www.markfulton.org/mithraism

"Mithras sacrificed himself by dying on a cross for the sins of mankind. His body was laid to rest in a rock tomb. He descended into the underworld, and then conquered death by rising to life again three days later."

Do you have any direct reference to this? I've seen several places noting similarity, but not this similar.

Here are my references....

Acharya S “The Christ Conspiracy”
Atwell, Joseph “Caesar’s Messsiah”
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/Mithraism.html
He had sacrificed himself to redeem mankind. Descending into the underworld, he had conquered death and had risen to life again on the third day.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html
He is sometimes depicted as a man being born or reborn from a rock (the 'petra genetrix), typically with the snake Ouroboros wrapped around it. It is commonly believed that the cave in Mithraism imagery represents the cosmos, and the rock is the cosmos seen from the outside; hence the description of this god as 'rising from the dead'. According to some accounts, Mithras died, was buried in a cavernous rock tomb, and was resurrected.
http://www.crystalinks.com/mithraism.html
He was buried in a tomb and after three days he rose again. His resurrection was celebrated every year.http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm
http://www.tyndalearchive.com/scriptures...ible_canon
http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion...mithra.htm
http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/...anity.html
After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historic...istianity/
This whole book is a classic text about forgery in Christianity. Long section on Mithras.
http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Mi...53794).htm
Mithras died, was buried in a tomb and rose again after three days, ascending to heaven.
http://www.hiddencodes.com/sherry/churches.htm
The bull represented rebirth, fertility and fecundity, with his blood corresponding to the wine of the mysteries. The sacrifice of the bull was reenacted in the Mithraic baptism, a mystery rite in which the initiates were splattered with the blood. The initiate was then said to have been "born again." In Mithraism, the slaying of the Heavenly Bull, Mithra is essentially sacrificing himself, in order to save the world: the bull appears to signify the earth or mankind, and the implication is that Mithra, like Christ, overcame the world; but in the early Persian writings Mithra himself is the bull, the god thus sacrificing himself becoming a close mimickry and mockery of the real Messianic Sacrifice to come in which God's Son would fulfill to redeem mankind.
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16-03-2012, 08:06 PM
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So I'm almost done with my second (and final) revision of the book, which IMO has made the book at least 3 times more awesome. And the only things really left are the cover picture and of course raising money for the production. I'm only hoping to break even and cover production costs (which would be about 70 sold books). At least the book would still be out there in existence for future enjoyment.

But anyways, about the cover. I was originally going to do a "me wearing a suit, smiling weirdly, while holding a flaming Bible." But I have since had a smarter idea. What if it's just a Bible being set on fire by a magnifying glass? That way, the shock value is still there and the "critique" part is being represented by the magnifying glass. I am critiquing the book and the book is collapsing under the scrutiny. And it's easier to do (I can take the picture myself).

Also, I won't have to be in the picture. I don't want people to not buy my book because they think I'm unattractive or weird looking.

"Ain't got no last words to say, yellow streak right up my spine. The gun in my mouth was real and the taste blew my mind."

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16-03-2012, 08:20 PM
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(16-03-2012 08:06 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  But I have since had a smarter idea. What if it's just a Bible being set on fire by a magnifying glass?

I like it. I like it a lot.

(16-03-2012 08:06 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  Also, I won't have to be in the picture. I don't want people to not buy my book because they think I'm unattractive or weird looking.

I was gonna say well if you're that unattractive and weird looking that might actually bring more attention to the book, but then I remembered what you look like. ... Go with the magnifying glass.

I am us and we is me. ... bitches.
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18-03-2012, 12:44 PM
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(15-03-2012 01:08 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(14-03-2012 01:10 PM)Dust Wrote:  
Quote:I have a blog on Mithraism you might learn something from...http://www.markfulton.org/mithraism

"Mithras sacrificed himself by dying on a cross for the sins of mankind. His body was laid to rest in a rock tomb. He descended into the underworld, and then conquered death by rising to life again three days later."

Do you have any direct reference to this? I've seen several places noting similarity, but not this similar.

Here are my references....

Acharya S “The Christ Conspiracy”
Atwell, Joseph “Caesar’s Messsiah”
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/Mithraism.html
He had sacrificed himself to redeem mankind. Descending into the underworld, he had conquered death and had risen to life again on the third day.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html
He is sometimes depicted as a man being born or reborn from a rock (the 'petra genetrix), typically with the snake Ouroboros wrapped around it. It is commonly believed that the cave in Mithraism imagery represents the cosmos, and the rock is the cosmos seen from the outside; hence the description of this god as 'rising from the dead'. According to some accounts, Mithras died, was buried in a cavernous rock tomb, and was resurrected.
http://www.crystalinks.com/mithraism.html
He was buried in a tomb and after three days he rose again. His resurrection was celebrated every year.http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm
http://www.tyndalearchive.com/scriptures...ible_canon
http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion...mithra.htm
http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/...anity.html
After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historic...istianity/
This whole book is a classic text about forgery in Christianity. Long section on Mithras.
http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Mi...53794).htm
Mithras died, was buried in a tomb and rose again after three days, ascending to heaven.
http://www.hiddencodes.com/sherry/churches.htm
The bull represented rebirth, fertility and fecundity, with his blood corresponding to the wine of the mysteries. The sacrifice of the bull was reenacted in the Mithraic baptism, a mystery rite in which the initiates were splattered with the blood. The initiate was then said to have been "born again." In Mithraism, the slaying of the Heavenly Bull, Mithra is essentially sacrificing himself, in order to save the world: the bull appears to signify the earth or mankind, and the implication is that Mithra, like Christ, overcame the world; but in the early Persian writings Mithra himself is the bull, the god thus sacrificing himself becoming a close mimickry and mockery of the real Messianic Sacrifice to come in which God's Son would fulfill to redeem mankind.

Wow, quite a lot of references.
Thanks a bunch, I'll read it when I have the time.
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18-03-2012, 04:03 PM (This post was last modified: 18-03-2012 04:07 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: An atheist's critique of the Bible
(18-03-2012 12:44 PM)Dust Wrote:  
(15-03-2012 01:08 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(14-03-2012 01:10 PM)Dust Wrote:  
Quote:I have a blog on Mithraism you might learn something from...http://www.markfulton.org/mithraism

"Mithras sacrificed himself by dying on a cross for the sins of mankind. His body was laid to rest in a rock tomb. He descended into the underworld, and then conquered death by rising to life again three days later."

Do you have any direct reference to this? I've seen several places noting similarity, but not this similar.

Here are my references....

Acharya S “The Christ Conspiracy”
Atwell, Joseph “Caesar’s Messsiah”
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/Mithraism.html
He had sacrificed himself to redeem mankind. Descending into the underworld, he had conquered death and had risen to life again on the third day.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html
He is sometimes depicted as a man being born or reborn from a rock (the 'petra genetrix), typically with the snake Ouroboros wrapped around it. It is commonly believed that the cave in Mithraism imagery represents the cosmos, and the rock is the cosmos seen from the outside; hence the description of this god as 'rising from the dead'. According to some accounts, Mithras died, was buried in a cavernous rock tomb, and was resurrected.
http://www.crystalinks.com/mithraism.html
He was buried in a tomb and after three days he rose again. His resurrection was celebrated every year.http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm
http://www.tyndalearchive.com/scriptures...ible_canon
http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion...mithra.htm
http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/...anity.html
After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historic...istianity/
This whole book is a classic text about forgery in Christianity. Long section on Mithras.
http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Mi...53794).htm
Mithras died, was buried in a tomb and rose again after three days, ascending to heaven.
http://www.hiddencodes.com/sherry/churches.htm
The bull represented rebirth, fertility and fecundity, with his blood corresponding to the wine of the mysteries. The sacrifice of the bull was reenacted in the Mithraic baptism, a mystery rite in which the initiates were splattered with the blood. The initiate was then said to have been "born again." In Mithraism, the slaying of the Heavenly Bull, Mithra is essentially sacrificing himself, in order to save the world: the bull appears to signify the earth or mankind, and the implication is that Mithra, like Christ, overcame the world; but in the early Persian writings Mithra himself is the bull, the god thus sacrificing himself becoming a close mimickry and mockery of the real Messianic Sacrifice to come in which God's Son would fulfill to redeem mankind.

Wow, quite a lot of references.
Thanks a bunch, I'll read it when I have the time.

I included them all just for interest in case anyone wants to spend a few hours reading about Mithraism LOL. Actually....it is very interesting how closely Christianity mimics this cult.


(16-03-2012 08:06 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  So I'm almost done with my second (and final) revision of the book, which IMO has made the book at least 3 times more awesome. And the only things really left are the cover picture and of course raising money for the production. I'm only hoping to break even and cover production costs (which would be about 70 sold books). At least the book would still be out there in existence for future enjoyment.

But anyways, about the cover. I was originally going to do a "me wearing a suit, smiling weirdly, while holding a flaming Bible." But I have since had a smarter idea. What if it's just a Bible being set on fire by a magnifying glass? That way, the shock value is still there and the "critique" part is being represented by the magnifying glass. I am critiquing the book and the book is collapsing under the scrutiny. And it's easier to do (I can take the picture myself).

Also, I won't have to be in the picture. I don't want people to not buy my book because they think I'm unattractive or weird looking.

Just an idea.......that involves a lot of work.........have you thought about setting up a web page and then selling it as an ebook? You might make some money! I'm going to try to do that with my book.
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27-03-2012, 04:36 PM
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The Bible is not a history manual nor a scientific manual. The Bible is a spiritual manual, the complete spiritual manual; the spiritual manual par excellence. The Bible is not the only spiritual manual because there are other 'spiritual manuals' which are very good too.

Therefore it cannot be said that the Bible is rubbish and it's ok to criticise it because it's irrelevant. When rightly understood, the Bible can provide the reader with all the knowledge the reader needs to reach God.
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