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26-03-2011, 12:19 AM
An evolutionary opinion please?
Someone said to me that inventing a species would be a good idea for art.
So I invented a species; alien dolphins, surprise surprise xD

Now the thing I did that caused a stir was that this species has dexterous pelvic fins, and I concluded that a species with dexterous pelvic fins wouldn't need a very big penis, like at all. Now it's started a debate (though I would assume that at least 75% of it is something like "Aww, Cetaceaphile D: I want you to draw big peens! u iz no fun" xD) about wether this is logically or scientifically sound thinking.

Wondering what your scientific opinions would be on this;
The species has the ability to lock hips together,
lives in an environment full of strong currents and heavy plant life,
and lives in water.
Penis size; big or small?

Why does this matter? Because it's interesting xD

(PM if you want pics for research or mindfuck :3)

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26-03-2011, 05:24 AM
RE: An evolutionary opinion please?
It makes sense that the penis won't be that big since it has the ability for a close up encounter. Though it also kinda depends on it's mass.not that any of this actually matters =p Penis size and mass are not always relevant. Penis size and fingers are not always relevant.

If it's a full blown anthropomorphism then you would normally make it somewhere around 8 inches, unless you wanted it to be huge seeing as how when people look at art their rating scale has to do with human penises.

Yeah I'm not an expert on this at all =p But generally a frontal vagina requires that the penis be smaller due to the space between. Larger members are reserved for the vaginas more around the ass location.

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26-03-2011, 10:02 AM
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I tend to avoid antlromorphatised characters like the plague xD It does wonders for creativeness and also pisses off furries. And despite furries being like 90% of my audience I still try to keep to unique things that spit in the face of what they would call 'normal'. :3

I did however notice a growing trend for more realistic penis in the art porn world. Instead of the 10 inch cocks of the 00s, the theme for the 10s seems to be 5 to 6 inches, which is a nice change xD

This is a very early first draft sketch of the species (from about 6-8 months ago):
Maybe it helps a little; should update it really.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd220...tacean.jpg
Don't worry; it's not graphic ;P

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26-03-2011, 10:20 AM
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OK, so I have to ask. (man am I going to regret asking about dolphin genetalia) Does a dolphin have a penis, or hemipenes? In the sketch, and some of the other pictures you've posted here, I've noticed two penes, instead of a penis. Just curious if this is artistic lisence or anatomically correct.

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26-03-2011, 11:02 AM (This post was last modified: 26-03-2011 11:07 AM by Cetaceaphile.)
RE: An evolutionary opinion please?
(26-03-2011 10:20 AM)Stark Raving Wrote:  OK, so I have to ask. (man am I going to regret asking about dolphin genetalia) Does a dolphin have a penis, or hemipenes? In the sketch, and some of the other pictures you've posted here, I've noticed two penes, instead of a penis. Just curious if this is artistic lisence or anatomically correct.

Actually those are pelvic fins xD

Dolphins usually have a half S shape penis. The exception is species who live in rough waters where the penis is long and is pretty much prehensile (such as orcas).
That's where my original idea that as cetacean species on earth, aka real life, evolved big penis for rough water species and medium size for normal waters then a species, like the Agrossians who I invented, which has pelvic fins for grasping would only have a small penis.

In fact I drew a chart for you just now (as clean as humanly possible) xD Coz I'm not sure if posting a real image would be appropriate even in the name of science. Too much controversy.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd220...xample.jpg

So called "Artistic license" when it comes to dolphins usually means they get arms and legs and a circumcised human cock >.>

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29-03-2011, 12:29 AM
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I could be off, but it seems to me that with dexterity, intelligence tends to follow. A sufficiently intelligent species would also be one that has better communication and is less reliant on biological imperatives for procreation. To this end, sexual reproduction would suffer UNLESS there was a pleasurable aspect to the act. So while smaller penises may be able to technically get the job done, nature would still select for larger male organs.
And for female dolphins with big titties.
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29-03-2011, 12:44 AM
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(29-03-2011 12:29 AM)gamutman Wrote:  I could be off, but it seems to me that with dexterity, intelligence tends to follow. A sufficiently intelligent species would also be one that has better communication and is less reliant on biological imperatives for procreation. To this end, sexual reproduction would suffer UNLESS there was a pleasurable aspect to the act. So while smaller penises may be able to technically get the job done, nature would still select for larger male organs.
And for female dolphins with big titties.

xD

Well damn.

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29-03-2011, 01:16 AM
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Ah Gamut that was entertaining. And I wasn't suggesting any specific look just going off of your first post Cetaceaphile.

Penis size is not always bigger means pleasurable. A change in females can make a penis form no longer able to fit properly which then allows the smaller males dominance. It works both ways. As far as the homo-sapiens sapiens line, further forms had less adequate genitalia as the vagina moved more toward the front.

Imagine a female pig with no external genitalia, what good would the male's corkscrew dick do to please that pig?

Different cultures of course also look for different attributes. So things about intelligent beings are not going to be so mutually attractive. Most likely there will be pods of dolphins with a variety of adaptations branching off of the first mutation, if indeed the mutation survived.

I have absolutely no problem with bestial stuff in general. I don't really consider myself furry just a cat =p They just happen to be the largest group to study animal genitalia and it's adaptations to humanity. Doesn't mean they do it well. I seriously dislike the furry practice of cross-special mating. I can't really accept every random variation being able to mate with every other type.

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29-03-2011, 08:42 AM
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In my experience of furry community there is a American human cock for the males, and a made up vagina with no clitoral hood or urethra for the females. That is the general rule anyway. The zoophile/furry groups usually use canine penis for everything, more inventive groups sometimes make up their own or use other animals, though it is mainly what I said above. Most of the cetacean furries use bottle nose dolphin penis or a shape that is similar on the vaguest of levels also.
Most penis in drawn porn is designed for the "lets all fap" appeal rather than to be scientifically accurate.
Though I'm not a furry, I'm what would class as a zoophile artist, but this species of cetaceans I've made up is supposed to be different from any real species and be scientifically accurate so sort of doesn't matter what I am xD. The males and females of the species are perfectly suited for each other and with behavioral adaptation I would assume, like real life cetaceans, that they are compatible enough to be an appeal to furries, if thats important.

OK well I've been rambling; I think the question was "Would a species with the ability to lock hips close together for mating need a penis much bigger than is required to penetrate the female?"

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29-03-2011, 07:41 PM
RE: An evolutionary opinion please?
As I said in both my posts not at all. It's likely to be smaller than the species it came from due to the change bringing mating closer.

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