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22-04-2014, 01:14 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 01:02 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(22-04-2014 12:37 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  I never said they checked and it is possible that they ask nowadays especially with marriage prep becoming more and more common. But it is correct and if a man was impotent prior to the marriage then it could be considered grounds for annulment. Also the impotence has to be permanent. So if you only need Viagra then you wouldn't be considered impotent. But if, say, a nerve was severed then that could be considered an impediment.

Nope. There are treatments for that. I don't expect you to know Urology, but, seriously, you have stats for these things ? Any "impotence" in 2014 can be treated or "gotten around". You're talking out your ass. Tongue You REALLY think a Lord of 600 sextillion stars would give a shit about one mammal's reproductive habits on one backwater star system ?

Ya, I kinda figured the nerve thing would probable not be a non fixable thing. But there are others that I think are more permanent. Such as literally loosing ones genitalia or being paralysed from the waist down. In any case, although the possibility of cure may exist, financial reasons could still form an effective permanence should the surgery be expensive.

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22-04-2014, 01:16 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 01:02 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(22-04-2014 12:48 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  Also in response to your first point. It is correct. Canon law 1084 states that permanently impotent couples are not allowed to marry.

So, your imaginary idiot gawd punishes couples who can't reproduce for its own failure to make them fertile. That's fucking stupid. You are a fucking idiot for buying into this bullshit.

Who said anything about punishment and god. This is philosophy and natural law.

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22-04-2014, 01:50 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 01:16 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  
(22-04-2014 01:02 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  So, your imaginary idiot gawd punishes couples who can't reproduce for its own failure to make them fertile. That's fucking stupid. You are a fucking idiot for buying into this bullshit.

Who said anything about punishment and god. This is philosophy and natural law.

No, it is neither philosophy nor natural law. It is made-up bullshit that your batshit religion dictates in the name of your mythical fairytale monster.

Your superstition declares - and it's posted right here in this thread - that marriage comes from your fairytale monster. But your fairytale monster - as expressed by your idiot church - punishes people who can't have children by denying them the right to marry. You can't dodge this, moron.

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22-04-2014, 01:51 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
152. On the third day after His Death Christ rose gloriously from the dead. (De fide.)

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22-04-2014, 01:52 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 12:48 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  No you were right the first time. Expanding the sentence would read; if god could give Abraham a child after 70 odd years of sterility, then he could do it for some other infertile couple. In any case ignore that cause its wrong. It was just something I used way back when I was a less educated catholic whenever this topic was brought up. I still can't give you a good answer at the moment as to the theology and philosophy behind permitting infertile couples to marry, although I do know were to find the answer, all I know is that that is not really it.
Ok, I'll ignore it since you don't agree with it yourself anymore. (Good thing, because I'd have plenty to say if you did. Tongue )

(22-04-2014 12:48 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  Also in response to your first point. It is correct. Canon law 1084 states that permanently impotent couples are not allowed to marry.
Actually, it states that permanent impotence can nullify a marriage. It doesn't say impotence means marriage is not allowed. If I'm not mistaken, the point is for a wife to be able to divorce if the impotence is a big issue to her.

(22-04-2014 12:48 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  P.s. respect for adopting kids. Love them well.
First I'll say "thanks". But then I must also say I wish I could just leave it at that, but due to your beliefs, I can't. You believe that your god said "be fruitful and multiply". You believe that your god could have seen to it that my wife and I had no child bearing issues in the first place. You believe that your god could have taken the child bearing issues away at any time, but didn't. You believe that your god knows everything and therefore knew we would have these issues before they ever happened, but he did nothing to prevent it or fix them. In fact, to be completely consistent with your faith, you must believe the child bearing issues were deliberate and by your god's design. And, instead of you recognizing how that makes your god a completely morally depraved asshole, you simply tell me you have respect for us adopting kids. So you see, that unfortunately rings a bit hollow for me. As I said previously, I wouldn't change a thing now because I love my kids with all my heart. But, if your god was to exist, that wouldn't be "thanks" to your god, it would be in spite of your god.

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22-04-2014, 02:08 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 01:50 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(22-04-2014 01:16 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  Who said anything about punishment and god. This is philosophy and natural law.

No, it is neither philosophy nor natural law. It is made-up bullshit that your batshit religion dictates in the name of your mythical fairytale monster.

Your superstition declares - and it's posted right here in this thread - that marriage comes from your fairytale monster. But your fairytale monster - as expressed by your idiot church - punishes people who can't have children by denying them the right to marry. You can't dodge this, moron.

In response to your first paragraph: I disagree.

In response to the second. First I would like to point out that the Catholic church does allow those to marry who are unable to conceive. The only impediment is impotency, ie the inability to have sex. Although there is a possible exception with the joesephite marriage, which is a marriage in which the couple decides to remain continent. I am unaware as to whether impotency would be an impediment in this case. The church does not punish impotent people by not allowing them to get married in the same way that the Olympic committee is not punishing Stephan hawking by not allowing him to participate in the 100m dash. They are incapable and thus unable to participate.

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22-04-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 02:08 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  
(22-04-2014 01:50 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  No, it is neither philosophy nor natural law. It is made-up bullshit that your batshit religion dictates in the name of your mythical fairytale monster.

Your superstition declares - and it's posted right here in this thread - that marriage comes from your fairytale monster. But your fairytale monster - as expressed by your idiot church - punishes people who can't have children by denying them the right to marry. You can't dodge this, moron.

In response to your first paragraph: I disagree.

Yes, you are perfectly content to wallow in your delusions.
Quote: The church does not punish impotent people by not allowing them to get married in the same way that the Olympic committee is not punishing Stephan hawking by not allowing him to participate in the 100m dash. They are incapable and thus unable to participate.

Complete delusion. If a couple want to get married that is their business. Forbidding them to wed for ANY reason is bullshit. Your church and your fairytale monster punish them by forbidding them to wed as they wish.

But of course even addressing this or anything else with you is a complete waste of time because as you admit you believe what you are told to believe without question.

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22-04-2014, 02:23 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 02:19 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(22-04-2014 02:08 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  In response to your first paragraph: I disagree.

Yes, you are perfectly content to wallow in your delusions.
Quote: The church does not punish impotent people by not allowing them to get married in the same way that the Olympic committee is not punishing Stephan hawking by not allowing him to participate in the 100m dash. They are incapable and thus unable to participate.

Complete delusion. If a couple want to get married that is their business. Forbidding them to wed for ANY reason is bullshit. Your church and your fairytale monster punish them by forbidding them to wed as they wish.

But of course even addressing this or anything else with you is a complete waste of time because as you admit you believe what you are told to believe without question.

Two things to this. The catholic church can not stop you from getting married, but they can refuse to perform the catholic marriage ritual for various reason. I forget where impotentance fits in, but I do know a divoce without an annulment will stop the church from performing the service.
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22-04-2014, 02:43 PM
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
(22-04-2014 01:16 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  
(22-04-2014 01:02 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  So, your imaginary idiot gawd punishes couples who can't reproduce for its own failure to make them fertile. That's fucking stupid. You are a fucking idiot for buying into this bullshit.

Who said anything about punishment and god. This is philosophy and natural law.

I know for a fact, that any Catholic with a fat checkbook, could get any bishop to approve almost anything they wanted in terms of a marriage, that they wanted.

There is no such thing as "natural law" It's an ancient paradigm, that is no longer useful or valid. I know all of Catholic morality and lots of other Catholic thingies are founded on it, but it's pure bunk. It's founded on the ancient Greek Idealism of "essences". I can refute it all in about 5 seconds. Edward Feser (the Catholic "philosopher" ... and that's being generous, as all he usually does is rant about the "new atheism"), is somewhat locally known for his "triangle-ness" example or something like that. The fact is that human brains LEARN INDIVIDUALLY what they all (somewhat differently) come to think of as (triangles) or "natural" or the "essence" of anything. There is no "essential ideal" of anything "out there" somewhere. Brains LEARN the ideas about what they come to apply as "similar". That does not "prove" there is an "ideal" anything. Tell THAT to Faaather McGuiggiginhampton. He will never be able to refute it.

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22-04-2014, 07:43 PM (This post was last modified: 23-04-2014 07:18 AM by Full Circle.)
RE: An intellectual discussion on the RCC or Ripping Catholic dogmas a new one
153. From her conception Mary was free from all motions of concupiscence. (Sent. communis.)
153. From her conception Mary was free from all motions of concupiscence but could not escape the Holy Ghost's tumescence.

Definition of CONCUPISCENCE
: strong desire; especially : sexual desire

Definition of TUMESCENCE
: the quality or state of being tumescent; especially : readiness for sexual activity marked especially by vascular congestion of the sex organs

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