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19-03-2017, 09:17 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 08:21 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 07:43 AM)DLJ Wrote:  ...
And I say this with love, as a Marxist-Lennonist.

Big Grin
Fixed.
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Fixed back.

(19-03-2017 08:21 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  ...
Games don't necessarily require hierarchies. I can play badminton and just enjoy it as an equal. I don't have to "defeat" and "dominate" someone.
...

And the governance body that meets to determine and agree the rules? No hierarchy in that set-up I suppose.

(19-03-2017 08:21 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  ...
So you ascribe to Marx/Lenin?
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Marx/Lennon

Not Karl and Vlad ... Groucho and John.

Anti-establishment ...

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And anti-religion. I can imagine that.





(19-03-2017 08:21 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  ...
The Spanish Rev, 1936, is probably the best example and attempt at anarchism as as social experiment, and I applaud it. They started some great schools for their kids and got their egalitarian economy going pretty well. All brought down by the Franco fascists, of course.'

Human beings, like all animals, are social, for their material survival as a species.

"So if I can shoot rabbits then I can shoot fascists."
...
"Holes in your head today
But I'm a pacifist
I've walked La Ramblas but not with real intent."




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19-03-2017, 09:47 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 08:41 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 07:45 AM)ImFred Wrote:  Negative Rating Fred H just because he has different politics is lame.

Rating him positive despite Mao being his hero is despicable. Drinking Beverage

Fred is entitled to admire Mao, one of the biggest bringers of misery to humanity, and i am entitled to find that repulsive. This is not about politics and a difference of opinion, but about being humanist.

I dont even want to hear his justifications for what Mao did, because no end justifies the suffering and death of tens of millions of people. I dont even want to argue with him if it was *only* 20mio or 50mio, because that would be inappropriate in face of what all those people had to suffer. All those chinese people deserve that we stand up for them and call Mao, and his admirers, out for what he did.

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19-03-2017, 09:48 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 09:17 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Not Karl and Vlad ... Groucho and John.
Anti-establishment ...
Oh. John Lennon toyed around, giving lip service to Maoism for a bit, until he figured out he couldn't be a millionaire capitalist musician and Maoist proletarian revolutionary socialist at the same time. So, he just settled on "liberal", which is still a capitalist, hence, not anti-establishment, since the establishment is fundamentally capitalist. That is to say, he stuck by his class interest.
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19-03-2017, 09:57 AM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2017 10:13 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 09:47 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 08:41 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Rating him positive despite Mao being his hero is despicable. Drinking Beverage

Fred is entitled to admire Mao, one of the biggest bringers of misery to humanity, and i am entitled to find that repulsive. This is not about politics and a difference of opinion, but about being humanist.

I dont even want to hear his justifications for what Mao did, because no end justifies the suffering and death of tens of millions of people. I dont even want to argue with him if it was *only* 20mio or 50mio, because that would be inappropriate in face of what all those people had to suffer. All those chinese people deserve that we stand up for them and call Mao, and his admirers, out for what he did.
Maybe you could back up your propaganda laden bloviations re Mao with some, you know, impartial, valid facts. It's ok, dont bother, its clear where you stand. In the U(F)SA The Man tells, with no evidence, the people to hate Mao and Stalin, etc, so everybody hates Mao, and Stalin etc, with no evidence. Monkey see, monkey do.

(P.S., death toll as per capitalist-imperialist war: ~1.6 billion, to date. https://maoistrebelnews.com/2012/03/16/1...pitalism/)
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19-03-2017, 10:00 AM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2017 10:04 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 04:33 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Thats ok, I'll stick with Marx, Engels and Mao, etc, since they were the experts.

Jesus was the OG. Marx, Lenin, and Mao were perverts not prophets. Perverters of truth, not purveyors of truth.

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19-03-2017, 10:03 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 10:00 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 04:33 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Thats ok, I'll stick with Marx, Engels and Mao, etc, since they were the experts.

Jesus was the OG.
Uh, I was recently man s'plained as to the meaning of "OG". So, I think I follow you here.
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19-03-2017, 10:05 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 10:03 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 10:00 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Jesus was the OG.
Uh, I was recently man s'plained as to the meaning of "OG". So, I think I follow you here.

Sorry. For a moment there I forgot I wasn't talking to Fred Hampton.

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19-03-2017, 10:19 AM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2017 10:26 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 06:41 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  You're troll. That's a fact.

Probably. It can't seem to keep its distinctively familiar style hidden for long. I firmly and emphatically assert that this is my assessment of the current situation. Let us agree to leave it at that like proper gentlemen and share a cup of tea, what say you good sir?

But so far it's just been provocative. It could be interesting if it doesn't go all rabid and shit. Nice troll, good troll. Treat? :pathead:

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19-03-2017, 10:28 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 09:57 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 09:47 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Fred is entitled to admire Mao, one of the biggest bringers of misery to humanity, and i am entitled to find that repulsive. This is not about politics and a difference of opinion, but about being humanist.

I dont even want to hear his justifications for what Mao did, because no end justifies the suffering and death of tens of millions of people. I dont even want to argue with him if it was *only* 20mio or 50mio, because that would be inappropriate in face of what all those people had to suffer. All those chinese people deserve that we stand up for them and call Mao, and his admirers, out for what he did.
Maybe you could back up your propaganda laden bloviations re Mao with some, you know, impartial, valid facts. It's ok, dont bother, its clear where you stand. In the U(F)SA The Man tells, with no evidence, the people to hate Mao and Stalin, etc, so everybody hates Mao, and Stalin etc, with no evidence. Monkey see, monkey do.

(P.S., death toll as per capitalist-imperialist war: ~1.6 billion, to date. https://maoistrebelnews.com/2012/03/16/1...pitalism/)

Poor, poor comrades Mao and Stalin. People hate them cause their "capitalist overlords" told them to during the party committee meeting.

Possibility of people feeling contempt for such pathetic specimens like above mentioned dictators cause they done own research is hard for commie to imagine. After all in USSR hate was being done on order - check The Soviet Union: History of Power, 1945–1991 by Rudolf Pikhoia comrade.

As for crimes of both you could look to the:

- Stalin: New Biography of a Dictator by Oleg Khlevniuk
- Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore
- Verbrannte Erde. Stalins Herrschaft der Gewalt by Jörg Baberowski
- Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958–62 and The Tragedy of Liberation: A History of the Communist Revolution, 1945–1957 by Frank Dikötter

While you're a troll or someone deluded enough to still spout same bullshit I feel that other people may find this post useful.

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19-03-2017, 10:33 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 10:19 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 06:41 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  You're troll. That's a fact.

Probably. It can't seem to keep its distinctively familiar style hidden for long. I firmly and emphatically assert that this is my assessment of the current situation. Let us agree to leave it at that like proper gentlemen and share a cup of tea, what say you good sir?

But so far it's just been provocative. It could be interesting if it doesn't go all rabid and shit. Nice troll, good troll. Treat? :pathead:

It could be interesting if trolling would be of some higher quality - trying to whitewash Mao or Stalin is just boring in it's futility.

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