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19-03-2017, 10:36 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 09:57 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 09:47 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Fred is entitled to admire Mao, one of the biggest bringers of misery to humanity, and i am entitled to find that repulsive. This is not about politics and a difference of opinion, but about being humanist.

I dont even want to hear his justifications for what Mao did, because no end justifies the suffering and death of tens of millions of people. I dont even want to argue with him if it was *only* 20mio or 50mio, because that would be inappropriate in face of what all those people had to suffer. All those chinese people deserve that we stand up for them and call Mao, and his admirers, out for what he did.
Maybe you could back up your propaganda laden bloviations re Mao with some, you know, impartial, valid facts. It's ok, dont bother, its clear where you stand. In the U(F)SA The Man tells, with no evidence, the people to hate Mao and Stalin, etc, so everybody hates Mao, and Stalin etc, with no evidence.

(P.S., death toll as per capitalist-imperialist war: ~1.6 billion, to date. https://maoistrebelnews.com/2012/03/16/1...pitalism/)

I am not going to lower myself to get into a mud slinging contest with you on who is responsible for more deaths and misery to mankind. As if how many people were killed by *capitalism* (which isnt even a person, whatever comparison you are trying here is absurd) would make anything Mao did better. But that is exactly what you are trying here, you are already trying to marginalize what Mao did, because dozens of millions of dead people cant be hand-waved away, can they?

Ohh, and you have no clue where i stand, because i didnt tell you. I am not even from the US, so there is that. Pro tip: Your beloved idea of Marxism originated form one of my countrymen, and i didnt need a translation to understand nor did anyone had to *tell* me whom to hate. I can figure that out all by myself, thank you very much.

As far as facts and evidence goes, it wasnt me proclaiming Mao a *hero* and *expert* (on whatever that should be), i didnt bring him to the table at all, you did. If you had anything to disprove tens of millions of deaths, then you already would have presented it, instead of linking a website, trying to marginalize those tens of millions.

"Propaganda laden bloviations"? Your knee jerk reaction actually makes your position on Mao very clear.

So, please excuse me, while i still cant find your *argument* compelling as to why to call someone a *hero* who is responsbile for unspeakable innumerable horrors.

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19-03-2017, 10:39 AM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2017 11:04 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
Make no mistake about it, revolutions are bloody, violent armed battles/wars to the death. Power does not yield itself w/o a demand and that demand is the replacement of said Power, ergo, violence is required. E.g., The American Revolution.

Socialist/communist revolutions to overthrow oppressive/violent feudalist or capitalist rulers are no different:

Quote:*A revolution is a fight to the death between the future and the past. Castro

*Revolutions destroy everything that get in their path. They are big and bloody and they overturn. They displace one class with another. Malcolm X

*A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another. Mao Tse Tung

* Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution....there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror. Karl Marx

*It’s a sad thing not to have friends, but it is even sadder not to have enemies. Ernesto Che' Guevara
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19-03-2017, 10:53 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 10:05 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 10:03 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Uh, I was recently man s'plained as to the meaning of "OG". So, I think I follow you here.

Sorry. For a moment there I forgot I wasn't talking to Fred Hampton.
Fred Hampton, for one, was not a member of a "gang". He was a Black Panther and--between the ages of 18 and 21--organized and conducted the largest breakfast and health services programs in the country for inner city poor Black youth of Chicago. Like the Panthers, he became a Marxist-Maoist Communist and one of their strongest leaders, and via a COINTELPRO counterinsurgency from the Feds led by J Edgar Hoover's FBI, was drugged and brutally assassinated(@ age 21)--along with several others--in his sleep @ his apartment.

So, like Jesus, he is dead.
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19-03-2017, 10:59 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 10:33 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 10:19 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Probably. It can't seem to keep its distinctively familiar style hidden for long. I firmly and emphatically assert that this is my assessment of the current situation. Let us agree to leave it at that like proper gentlemen and share a cup of tea, what say you good sir?

But so far it's just been provocative. It could be interesting if it doesn't go all rabid and shit. Nice troll, good troll. Treat? :pathead:

It could be interesting if trolling would be of some higher quality - trying to whitewash Mao or Stalin is just boring in it's futility.

Yes, it does need quite a bit of improvement but at least it keeps trying. Thumbsup

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19-03-2017, 10:59 AM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2017 11:04 AM by Szuchow.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 10:59 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 10:33 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  It could be interesting if trolling would be of some higher quality - trying to whitewash Mao or Stalin is just boring in it's futility.

Yes, it does need quite a bit of improvement but at least it keeps trying. Thumbsup

Bolsheviks too kept trying Wink To quote Chernomyrdin: We wanted the best, but it turned out like always Same could be said about TTA trolls.

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19-03-2017, 11:22 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 10:39 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Make no mistake about it, revolutions are bloody, violent armed battles/wars to the death. Power does not yield itself w/o a demand and that demand is the replacement of said Power, ergo, violence is required. E.g., The American Revolution.

Socialist/communist revolutions to overthrow oppressive/violent feudalist or capitalist rulers are no different:
...

Nah! The Yanks haven't had a proper Revolution yet.

What is called the Murikan Revolution was actually a hostile takeover of one group of rich white landowners by another group of rich white landowners.

Same class.

But I can't help thinking that they're due for one.




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19-03-2017, 11:45 AM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2017 09:16 PM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 11:22 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 10:39 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Make no mistake about it, revolutions are bloody, violent armed battles/wars to the death. Power does not yield itself w/o a demand and that demand is the replacement of said Power, ergo, violence is required. E.g., The American Revolution.

Socialist/communist revolutions to overthrow oppressive/violent feudalist or capitalist rulers are no different:
...

Nah! The Yanks haven't had a proper Revolution yet.

What is called the Murikan Revolution was actually a hostile takeover of one group of rich white landowners by another group of rich white landowners.

Same class.

But I can't help thinking that they're due for one.

So you are saying the rich guys got out there on the battle field and fought each other? When has that ever happened? Also, revolutions dont have to be socialist/communist. They can be right wing, fascist, wtever.

Quote:American Revolution 1775-1783
Total servicemembers 217,000
Battle deaths 4,435
Nonmortal woundings 6,188

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html

RD Wolff is not a revolutionary socialist, btw. He is a great analyst, though, easy to understand. And advocate of Worker coops(WSDEs), which is cool.
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19-03-2017, 12:00 PM
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So, is there an overall Forum bias against socialists/communists? Maybe:

Quote:Politics
Libertarian? Authoritarian? Liberal? Conservative? Capitalist or socialist? Or perhaps (GASP) communist?

(US)Libertarianism, which is extreme far right capitalist w fascist roots, and Authoritarian, AOK, no problemo? But, "GASP", communism, or even socialism, which are the epitome of egalitarian, "bad"?

Is there a mod or admin here I can run this by?
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19-03-2017, 12:04 PM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 12:00 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  So, is there an overall Forum bias against socialists/communists? Maybe:

Quote:Politics
Libertarian? Authoritarian? Liberal? Conservative? Capitalist or socialist? Or perhaps (GASP) communist?

(US)Libertarianism, which is extreme far right capitalist w fascist roots, and Authoritarian, AOK, no problemo? But, "GASP", communism, or even socialism, which are the epitome of egalitarian, "bad"?

Is there a mod or admin here I can run this by?

Blame it on DLJ. He makes all pinko commie bastards look bad.

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19-03-2017, 12:25 PM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 12:00 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  So, is there an overall Forum bias against socialists/communists? Maybe:

Quote:Politics
Libertarian? Authoritarian? Liberal? Conservative? Capitalist or socialist? Or perhaps (GASP) communist?

(US)Libertarianism, which is extreme far right capitalist w fascist roots, and Authoritarian, AOK, no problemo? But, "GASP", communism, or even socialism, which are the epitome of egalitarian, "bad"?

Is there a mod or admin here I can run this by?

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