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19-03-2017, 12:25 PM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 09:48 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  ...
Oh. John Lennon toyed around, giving lip service to Maoism for a bit, until he figured out he couldn't be a millionaire capitalist musician and Maoist proletarian revolutionary socialist at the same time.
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So what?

(19-03-2017 11:45 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  ...
RD Wolff is not a revolutionary socialist, btw.

So what?

Mao, Stalin, Marx...

Yer got idolatry issues?

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19-03-2017, 12:27 PM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 12:00 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  So, is there an overall Forum bias against socialists/communists? Maybe:

Quote:Politics
Libertarian? Authoritarian? Liberal? Conservative? Capitalist or socialist? Or perhaps (GASP) communist?

(US)Libertarianism, which is extreme far right capitalist w fascist roots, and Authoritarian, AOK, no problemo? But, "GASP", communism, or even socialism, which are the epitome of egalitarian, "bad"?

Is there a mod or admin here I can run this by?

I think it was made in sarcastic fashion due to the fact that the creator of the site is himself an American from the Bible Belt where anything resembling communism will be associated with the devil. No, there is no bias against communism. Fascism is simply more popular these days.

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19-03-2017, 03:31 PM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(19-03-2017 12:27 PM)epronovost Wrote:  
(19-03-2017 12:00 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  So, is there an overall Forum bias against socialists/communists? Maybe:


(US)Libertarianism, which is extreme far right capitalist w fascist roots, and Authoritarian, AOK, no problemo? But, "GASP", communism, or even socialism, which are the epitome of egalitarian, "bad"?

Is there a mod or admin here I can run this by?

I think it was made in sarcastic fashion due to the fact that the creator of the site is himself an American from the Bible Belt where anything resembling communism will be associated with the devil. No, there is no bias against communism. Fascism is simply more popular these days.
What's his name, Seth Andrews? I feel sorry for him out thar' in Tulsa, egad, Oklahoma, nuevo earthquake Jesus capitol of the world. Okie dokie, then, thanks.
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20-03-2017, 08:23 AM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2017 08:30 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
re·li·gion
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Marxism/Leninism/Maoism are not religions as per the above definition. Marx, Lenin, Mao, also as per the above definition are not nor did they ever claim to be "Gods". You can speak metaphorically or with simile and compare them to religions or Gods, but that does not make them factually equal, and they are not.

Hirohito actually DID declare himself to be a "God King".

People also say, for e.g., "consumerism is like a new religion". That is a simile, which is like a metaphor, and also not a fact.
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20-03-2017, 08:39 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(20-03-2017 08:23 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  re·li·gion
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Marxism/Leninism/Maoism are not religions as per the above definition. Marx, Lenin, Mao, also as per the above definition are not nor did they ever claim to be "Gods". You can speak metaphorically or with simile and compare them to religions or Gods, but that does not make them factually equal, and they are not.

Hirohito actually DID declare himself to be a "God King".

People also say, for e.g., "consumerism is like a new religion". That is a simile, which is like a metaphor, and also not a fact.

Another commie who can't accept the fact that marxism-leninism was religion. How surprising. You already know the titles of the book you should check mr. commie troll. There is nothing more to add.

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20-03-2017, 09:19 AM
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It's just a matter of how you define religion.

In Hirohito's defense he was declared God by his birthright and had to directly oppose his country's tradition and culture to announce otherwise.

From my impression of Maoism, a lot it from reading pro-Mao propaganda written by the Chinese, I would rather have been a Jew at Auschwitz than a worker in his revolution.
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20-03-2017, 09:26 AM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2017 09:33 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(20-03-2017 09:19 AM)ImFred Wrote:  It's just a matter of how you define religion.

In Hirohito's defense he was declared God by his birthright and had to directly oppose his country's tradition and culture to announce otherwise.

From my impression of Maoism, a lot it from reading pro-Mao propaganda written by the Chinese, I would rather have been a Jew at Auschwitz than a worker in his revolution.
Words have definitions otherwise they have no meaning and are worthless. Next they'll be saying Lady GaGa's music is a religion and she is the head Goddess. Auschwitz was a tough way to go, I dont think they ever got volunteers. People that have opinions of Marx and Mao should actually study Marx and Mao.
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20-03-2017, 09:33 AM
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(20-03-2017 09:26 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(20-03-2017 09:19 AM)ImFred Wrote:  It's just a matter of how you define religion.

In Hirohito's defense he was declared God by his birthright and had to directly oppose his country's tradition and culture to announce otherwise.

From my impression of Maoism, a lot it from reading pro-Mao propaganda written by the Chinese, I would rather have been a Jew at Auschwitz than a worker in his revolution.
Words have definitions otherwise they have no meaning and are worthless. Next they'll be saying Lady GaGa's music is a religion and she is the head Goddess. People that have opinions of Marx and Mao should actually study Marx and Mao.

Maybe you should search House of Cantor when he talks about his Gwynnies. Tongue

I've read some about Marx and Mao, but I'm also not fond of extremes -- any idea can be taken too far, as well as being open to interpretation decades later.


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20-03-2017, 09:35 AM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2017 09:39 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Anarchy, Communism and Nationalism
(20-03-2017 09:33 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(20-03-2017 09:26 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Words have definitions otherwise they have no meaning and are worthless. Next they'll be saying Lady GaGa's music is a religion and she is the head Goddess. People that have opinions of Marx and Mao should actually study Marx and Mao.

Maybe you should search House of Cantor when he talks about his Gwynnies. Tongue

I've read some about Marx and Mao, but I'm also not fond of extremes -- any idea can be taken too far, as well as being open to interpretation decades later.
Capitalism is THE definition of extreme. There are billionaires who rule and unpaid slaves who are ruled(owned as property)--brutally. Of course the rulers and their minions love themselves some capitalism and will defend it to the death. Or more specifically, the rulers will pay off another branch of the slaves/workers to defend it to the death for them. If that doesnt work, they flee the country.
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20-03-2017, 09:41 AM
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Agree about capitalism

Quote:People that have opinions of Marx and Mao should actually study Marx and Mao.

I have. I've also traveled to Hong Kong and China.
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