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18-12-2012, 05:16 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 05:11 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 04:36 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  This is a malformed assumption that morals are universally objective. Morality is almost entirely subjective and differs from various social species as well.
If morality is not universal then I can kill people for any 'greater good'. Either all murder is wrong, or no murder is wrong. Either all rape is wrong, or all rape is right- you can't pick and choose morals.
What?

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18-12-2012, 05:21 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 05:16 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 05:11 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  If morality is not universal then I can kill people for any 'greater good'. Either all murder is wrong, or no murder is wrong. Either all rape is wrong, or all rape is right- you can't pick and choose morals.
What?
Morality is like physics, I can't claim to have 'my own physics' any more than I can claim ' my own morals'
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18-12-2012, 05:55 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 05:11 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 04:36 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  This is a malformed assumption that morals are universally objective. Morality is almost entirely subjective and differs from various social species as well.
If morality is not universal then I can kill people for any 'greater good'. Either all murder is wrong, or no murder is wrong. Either all rape is wrong, or all rape is right- you can't pick and choose morals.
I do not think you understand how the objectivity and subjectivity of morality works.

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18-12-2012, 06:03 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 05:55 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 05:11 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  If morality is not universal then I can kill people for any 'greater good'. Either all murder is wrong, or no murder is wrong. Either all rape is wrong, or all rape is right- you can't pick and choose morals.
I do not think you understand how the objectivity and subjectivity of morality works.
I understand it, it's just logically incorrect/inconsistent.
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18-12-2012, 06:10 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 04:36 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 03:42 PM)thirdangletheory Wrote:  Bear in mind male lions routinely kill the offspring of other male lions when they take over a pride. I don't think morals come into nature at all; it would be more accurate to say nature is amoral rather than immoral.
This is a malformed assumption that morals are universally objective. Morality is almost entirely subjective and differs from various social species as well.
I made no assumption on the objectivity of morals. I stated that animals don't operate under any moral guidelines.
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18-12-2012, 06:36 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 05:55 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 05:11 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  If morality is not universal then I can kill people for any 'greater good'. Either all murder is wrong, or no murder is wrong. Either all rape is wrong, or all rape is right- you can't pick and choose morals.
I do not think you understand how the objectivity and subjectivity of morality works.
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18-12-2012, 07:28 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 06:03 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 05:55 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  I do not think you understand how the objectivity and subjectivity of morality works.
I understand it, it's just logically incorrect/inconsistent.
Please, please, pleeeeaaassseee show us that you understand it, because it really doesn't look like you do.

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18-12-2012, 07:28 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 05:11 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  you can't pick and choose morals.
Actually, you can. All of us do it, as morality is entirely subjective.

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18-12-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(18-12-2012 07:28 PM)frankiej Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 06:03 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  I understand it, it's just logically incorrect/inconsistent.
Please, please, pleeeeaaassseee show us that you understand it, because it really doesn't look like you do.
Evil people make up rules which they do not follow themself. For example, a Christian God breaks all of his rules and commandments routinely. A bad parent will hit a child and tell them "do not use violence to solve problems!". A liberal will claim to be against violence, yet support higher rates of violence from the state.

Good people are 100% consistent with their own rules, since the very definition of evil is changing rules for yourself while inflicting a different set of rules on others.
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18-12-2012, 08:57 PM
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I do not think you understand the definition of evil either.

You know the world isn't made up of dichotomies don't you?

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