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07-12-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
I didn't say sentience was intelligent. I should have included insects - sorry, mantis!

The funniest thing is that people keep chopping down forests to make grazing for beef cattle. Comes a day they can't breathe... but wth; they die full of steak.

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08-12-2012, 10:37 AM
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The answer is easy. I would still eat meat. I dearly love my parrots. I know they are just as sentient as we are. While I would not eat the animals that I keep as pets, I would eat others in a heart beat. Parrots (at least the ones big enough to eat), reproduce as slow as most humans do. Usually only having one or two babies a year (at best) and they normally don't all survive. That being said, if they reproduced as fast as chickens I would have no problem eating them. I just won't eat a specific animal that I have a personal relationship with. Just like if I were stranded out in the wilderness somewhere with a large amount of people (plane crash survivors), I would try to keep my friends and family alive and eat anyone else in order to ensure survival. Of course I would avoid eating smokers, as I don't want cancer.
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08-12-2012, 04:10 PM
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
(08-12-2012 10:37 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  The answer is easy. I would still eat meat. I dearly love my parrots. I know they are just as sentient as we are. While I would not eat the animals that I keep as pets, I would eat others in a heart beat. Parrots (at least the ones big enough to eat), reproduce as slow as most humans do. Usually only having one or two babies a year (at best) and they normally don't all survive. That being said, if they reproduced as fast as chickens I would have no problem eating them. I just won't eat a specific animal that I have a personal relationship with. Just like if I were stranded out in the wilderness somewhere with a large amount of people (plane crash survivors), I would try to keep my friends and family alive and eat anyone else in order to ensure survival. Of course I would avoid eating smokers, as I don't want cancer.
There is no such thing as an easy answer.

Also at issue here is the unnatural torturing of animals such as battery hens, beef, and lamb cruelly manufactured in food factories.


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08-12-2012, 05:49 PM (This post was last modified: 08-12-2012 05:55 PM by FZUMedia.)
RE: Animal Consciousness and Meat
I'm a vegan, but I am not fuddy duddy about it.

Obviously killing an animal is not the same as killing a human, but it's still not a good thing if you can help it. I think all meat eaters should go out and go hunting every now and then to gain an appreciation of were meat comes from, and the process the animal has to go through. I couldn't kill a cow, so I don't think I should be eating it. I couldn't hit someone, so I don't think I should be in boxing. It's very simple.
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08-12-2012, 05:57 PM
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(08-12-2012 05:49 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  I'm a vegan, but I am not fuddy duddy about it.

Obviously killing an animal is not the same as killing a human, but it's still not a good thing if you can help it. I think all meat eaters should go out and go hunting every now and then to gain an appreciation of were meat comes from, and the process the animal has to go through. I couldn't kill a cow, so I don't think I should be eating it. I couldn't hit someone, so I don't think I should be in boxing. It's very simple.
I rest my case.

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08-12-2012, 11:11 PM
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(08-12-2012 05:49 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  I'm a vegan, but I am not fuddy duddy about it.

Obviously killing an animal is not the same as killing a human, but it's still not a good thing if you can help it. I think all meat eaters should go out and go hunting every now and then to gain an appreciation of were meat comes from, and the process the animal has to go through. I couldn't kill a cow, so I don't think I should be eating it. I couldn't hit someone, so I don't think I should be in boxing. It's very simple.

First of all: Why is killing a human different to any other animal?
Secondly: If you insist, we could become snake or spider like and fill our prey species with paralyzing poison to prevent the feeling pain...

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09-12-2012, 03:39 AM
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This?
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Or this?
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09-12-2012, 03:41 AM
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Have posted if before, but it's worth a revisit...



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09-12-2012, 04:12 AM
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I believe that almost all animals are sentinent. Can I prove it scientifically??? Unfortunately not.... what I base my beliefs on is my observations.

Owning different pets I see that they have personalities of their own. The amount of dogs I have seen asleep, who bark and twitch and dream, who then wake up and look around like WTF.

I recognise fear in animals eyes, just like I recognise fear in peoples eyes.

As a species we are very arrogant.

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09-12-2012, 05:18 AM
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(09-12-2012 04:12 AM)bemore Wrote:  As a species we are very arrogant.
Yes, I find that we are so arrogant that some of us abstain from eating meat because they think we are so superior, above nature, and sophisticated.

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