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28-02-2016, 11:03 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
(28-02-2016 10:57 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Should you, as a student, be able to dictate what you do and don't listen to?

How do you, as a student, have the knowledge to determine which lesson is important and which isn't?

Perhaps they should demand that fruit juice be called "fruit pressings" instead, because "fruit juice" sounds anti-Semitic?

This makes no sense.

Here, let me put it this way: if the university didn't agree with the students, they wouldn't have made the change. You're assuming that the students aren't discussing this with their professors and are simply taking matters into their own hands.

Students always dictate what they are being taught, because professors (the good ones) design their classes and lectures around the needs of the students as a whole. If students don't want a class on a given subject, they don't take it and that class will eventually be gotten rid of because the demand isn't there (this is not likely to happen with core courses but advanced classes on specific subjects come and go all the time).

These are NOT students dictating how the university operates, or the day to day workings, or even anything that even remotely impacts their education.

This is not "PC madness," it's people who don't understand what political correctness is assuming that change to appease people is about PC.

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28-02-2016, 11:11 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
(28-02-2016 11:03 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  [quote='Thumpalumpacus' pid='953142' dateline='1456678637']
Here, let me put it this way: if the university didn't agree with the students, they wouldn't have made the change. You're assuming that the students aren't discussing this with their professors and are simply taking matters into their own hands.


"Harvard has not agreed that the use of 'master' represented a link to slavery, but it has accepted campaigners' call for a name change."
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28-02-2016, 11:11 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
(28-02-2016 10:43 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(28-02-2016 09:37 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  It literally doesn't matter. If changing a title makes people happier, why not simply change a stupid title?

This isn't "PC culture gone mad," it is a university listening to its students and making small changes to appease them in an on-going conversation about race in America.

Given that the mission of a university is education, don't you think that letting students dictate matters based on personal sensitivities is counterproductive?

Part of an education is learning how to get the fuck over yourself, a lesson these student desperately need to learn.

Part of an education is acting on what you learned. They are doing just that.

The school chooses to take it seriously or not, to respond in a way they feel is appropriate. If they choose to support those requested changes who are you to tell them they shouldn't?

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28-02-2016, 11:12 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
(28-02-2016 08:43 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-02-2016 08:30 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  Are you a Harvard student or employee? If not, why would you care what they do? It's their school, their business.
What a stupid response. You could ask that same question in response to any criticism of anything.

"Are you a woman or living in Saudi Arabia? If not, why would you care what they do? It's their country, their culture."

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28-02-2016, 11:17 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
"Harvard has not agreed that the use of 'master' represented a link to slavery, but it has accepted campaigners' call for a name change."


Yes, the word "master" as used at Harvard wasn't about slavery. They acknowledge this. But that isn't why Harvard changed the term. It isn't relevant.

Harvard changed it because the students made a compelling enough of an argument as to why they wanted a change and why it should be changed, and the university agreed and changed it. And the world kept spinning because the titles didn't matter, but the process got students talking about racial inequality and that is a good thing.

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28-02-2016, 11:19 AM
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http://www.upworthy.com/what-political-c...oesnt-mean

People really need to chill out and recognize what being "PC" means instead of using it as a buzzword to get mad at change.

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28-02-2016, 11:24 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
(28-02-2016 11:17 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  "Harvard has not agreed that the use of 'master' represented a link to slavery, but it has accepted campaigners' call for a name change."


Yes, the word "master" as used at Harvard wasn't about slavery. They acknowledge this. But that isn't why Harvard changed the term. It isn't relevant.

Harvard changed it because the students made a compelling enough of an argument as to why they wanted a change and why it should be changed, and the university agreed and changed it. And the world kept spinning because the titles didn't matter, but the process got students talking about racial inequality and that is a good thing.

Just because you want to agree to a change does not necessarily mean you want to admit a possible liability in the past either. I suspect this was a legal deniability of a possible liability. I could be wrong, of course. Smile

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28-02-2016, 11:26 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
(28-02-2016 11:24 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  
(28-02-2016 11:17 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  "Harvard has not agreed that the use of 'master' represented a link to slavery, but it has accepted campaigners' call for a name change."


Yes, the word "master" as used at Harvard wasn't about slavery. They acknowledge this. But that isn't why Harvard changed the term. It isn't relevant.

Harvard changed it because the students made a compelling enough of an argument as to why they wanted a change and why it should be changed, and the university agreed and changed it. And the world kept spinning because the titles didn't matter, but the process got students talking about racial inequality and that is a good thing.

Just because you want to agree to a change does not necessarily mean you want to admit a possible liability in the past either. I suspect this was a legal deniability of a possible liability. I could be wrong, of course. Smile

Harvard was established based largely on the European model, so I suspect it's more of an ackowledgment of that than anything. I try not to read too much into things, otherwise I'd be screaming "PC culture!!!" All the time.

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28-02-2016, 11:39 AM
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(28-02-2016 10:58 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(28-02-2016 10:52 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Learning isn't only the responsibility of the students.

Part of getting an education, is listening.

Right, you listen to what they have to say and assess whether they are right or not. Sounds fair.

Harvard concluded that they weren't right (they're not) but still bent over.

So they weren't awarded because their position was meritable; they were awarded because to tell them they're wrong would be politically incorrect.

Do you have evidence that they "bent over", like statements from the voting body that they disagreed with the students' request but still gave them their way?

Harvard did not state "they weren't right", what they stated was, "Harvard has not agreed that the use of "master" represented a link to slavery, but it has accepted campaigners' calls for a name change." That is not stating they were wrong but bent over to appease them. That statement only states they disagreed on the meaning of ""master" as a link to slavery"", it does not state they disagreed that it should change. The fact that they changed it shows they did agree it should change, just without admitting any liability of what it was or perceived to be before.

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28-02-2016, 11:41 AM
RE: Another Example of the Insanity of PC Culture
(28-02-2016 11:12 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  Facepalm
That's a solid argument right there. You convinced me! Thumbsup

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