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26-06-2015, 12:32 PM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 12:31 PM)tear151 Wrote:  
(26-06-2015 11:56 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Morality is an observed behavior that appears to be an emergent behavior from the evolution of societies. It is an adaptation of altruistic behavior.

your argument was addressed in the video.

Unconvincingly.

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26-06-2015, 12:43 PM
Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 12:31 PM)tear151 Wrote:  
(26-06-2015 11:56 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Morality is an observed behavior that appears to be an emergent behavior from the evolution of societies. It is an adaptation of altruistic behavior.

your argument was addressed in the video.

No, it wasn't because it defined morality not as a behavior but as a value. It tried to argue that values can't be derived from things that "are/is" but morality is something that is "are/is" when I define it as a behavior, like altruism.

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26-06-2015, 12:44 PM
Another attack on moral subjectivism
So, when I reject their premise upon which everything else is based, everything else becomes pointless.

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26-06-2015, 12:47 PM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 12:43 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(26-06-2015 12:31 PM)tear151 Wrote:  your argument was addressed in the video.

No, it wasn't because it defined morality not as a behavior but as a value. It tried to argue that values can't be derived from things that "are/is" but morality is something that is "are/is" when I define it as a behavior, like altruism.

Can you describe a certain behavior as moral/immoral and make a true claim?
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26-06-2015, 12:50 PM
Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 12:47 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(26-06-2015 12:43 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  No, it wasn't because it defined morality not as a behavior but as a value. It tried to argue that values can't be derived from things that "are/is" but morality is something that is "are/is" when I define it as a behavior, like altruism.

Can you describe a certain behavior as moral/immoral and make a true claim?

What do you mean by true? Observations are by default true. The interpretation might be subject to being true or untrue though.

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26-06-2015, 12:51 PM
Another attack on moral subjectivism
Do you mean to ask can I use my observation of morality as a behavior to make a prediction about moral or immoral behaviors?

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26-06-2015, 12:53 PM
Another attack on moral subjectivism
And keep in mind that behaviors don't have to be static things either. For instance eating is necessary for survival, except when it isn't like in the instance of over eating.

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26-06-2015, 12:54 PM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
TBD,

A moral nihilist would assert that you could never make a true claim about an action while describing it as either good or evil. Do you agree with nihilism regarding this assertion?
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26-06-2015, 12:57 PM
Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 12:54 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  TBD,

A moral nihilist would assert that you could never make a true claim about an action while describing it as either good or evil. Do you agree with nihilism regarding this assertion?

I don't know what you mean by a true claim. What does true mean when it comes to making a claim about an action or behavior?

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26-06-2015, 01:07 PM
Another attack on moral subjectivism
If you mean to say can I just look at an action or behavior and classify it as good or bad or good or evil, then no I do not agree with them for two reasons.

1) it's too much of a reductionist argument to assert that moral and immoral correlate with black and white concepts of good or evil. Morality is a spectrum of more/less right/wrong.

2) I think you can look at the context of an action or behavior and derive a true conclusion about its rightness or wrongness.

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