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20-06-2015, 03:30 PM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(16-06-2015 04:57 PM)tear151 Wrote:  so I put it to you, why don't you approve of so called immoral actions if there is nothing intrinsically wrong about them

I believe there are no moral truths. I am a moral nihilist. I can choose to approve or disapprove any thing for any reason, justified or not.

(16-06-2015 04:57 PM)tear151 Wrote:  if morality is subjective, why must others listen to you outside of threats of violence (or the law).

No one has to listen to me. Who says someone has to listen to me?
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20-06-2015, 05:25 PM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(20-06-2015 03:30 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(16-06-2015 04:57 PM)tear151 Wrote:  so I put it to you, why don't you approve of so called immoral actions if there is nothing intrinsically wrong about them

I believe there are no moral truths. I am a moral nihilist. I can choose to approve or disapprove any thing for any reason, justified or not.

(16-06-2015 04:57 PM)tear151 Wrote:  if morality is subjective, why must others listen to you outside of threats of violence (or the law).

No one has to listen to me. Who says someone has to listen to me?

We appear to completly agree.

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20-06-2015, 09:11 PM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(20-06-2015 05:25 PM)tear151 Wrote:  We appear to completly agree.

Great, now how do we convince the rest of them that we're right?Huh

I think part of the problem is surely semantics. I notice that some people want to switch the discussion from morality in the normative sense, to morality in the descriptive sense.

"In its descriptive sense, "morality" refers to personal or cultural values, codes of conduct or social mores. It does not connote objective claims of right or wrong, but only refers to that which is considered right or wrong. Descriptive ethics is the branch of philosophy which studies morality in this sense.

In its normative sense, "morality" refers to whatever (if anything) is actually right or wrong, which may be independent of the values or mores held by any particular peoples or cultures. Normative ethics is the branch of philosophy which studies morality in this sense." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

It's missing the point entirely to want to talk about culture and society. Many members want to go back to talking about morality in this sense. We all get it, certain things aren't socially acceptable, and it varies from society to society. Nothing new here.

Anyways, good thread and good posts tear151!Thumbsup
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25-06-2015, 07:59 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism




Just wanted to put this up.

Anyone have any thoughts about this? Objections?
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26-06-2015, 08:12 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(25-06-2015 07:59 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  



Just wanted to put this up.

Anyone have any thoughts about this? Objections?

literally everything i was trying to say.

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26-06-2015, 08:25 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 08:12 AM)tear151 Wrote:  
(25-06-2015 07:59 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  



Just wanted to put this up.

Anyone have any thoughts about this? Objections?

literally everything i was trying to say.

That's what we were afraid of. It's complete bullshit.
You have taken in NOTHING that was said in your own fucking thread.
"Atheist values lead to nihilism". Are you shitting me ?

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26-06-2015, 08:35 AM (This post was last modified: 26-06-2015 08:39 AM by Chas.)
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(25-06-2015 07:59 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  



Just wanted to put this up.

Anyone have any thoughts about this? Objections?

Four sentences in, I smelled bullshit.

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26-06-2015, 08:38 AM
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(26-06-2015 08:25 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(26-06-2015 08:12 AM)tear151 Wrote:  literally everything i was trying to say.

That's what we were afraid of. It's complete bullshit.
You have taken in NOTHING that was said in your own fucking thread.
"Atheist values lead to nihilism". Are you shitting me ?

It does, at least in regards to an atheism that is consistent. Watching atheists argue against nihilism, is like watching fundies attempting to argue against biblical contradictions.

Atheists like Tear, and Matt Finney, along with Stevel, are among the handful of atheists who recognize this.
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26-06-2015, 08:43 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 08:38 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(26-06-2015 08:25 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  That's what we were afraid of. It's complete bullshit.
You have taken in NOTHING that was said in your own fucking thread.
"Atheist values lead to nihilism". Are you shitting me ?

It does, at least in regards to an atheism that is consistent. Watching atheists argue against nihilism, is like watching fundies attempting to argue against biblical contradictions.

Atheists like Tear, and Matt Finney, along with Stevel, are among the handful of atheists who recognize this.

Atheism =/= nihilism

Atheists =/= nihilists

Saying that atheism leads to nihilism is akin to saying that conservatism leads to fascism. Or that liberalism leads to communism. It is a moronic reductionist argument that oversimplifies things to make a preconceived conclusion work.

Some might call such tactics, dishonest. But you be dishonest? NEVER!!!! (/sarcasmfont)

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26-06-2015, 08:47 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(26-06-2015 08:38 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(26-06-2015 08:25 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  That's what we were afraid of. It's complete bullshit.
You have taken in NOTHING that was said in your own fucking thread.
"Atheist values lead to nihilism". Are you shitting me ?

It does, at least in regards to an atheism that is consistent. Watching atheists argue against nihilism, is like watching fundies attempting to argue against biblical contradictions.

Atheists like Tear, and Matt Finney, along with Stevel, are among the handful of atheists who recognize this.

Asserting something without explaining why and how is worthless.
Your assertions are worthless opinionated reflections of your own ignorance (as usual). YOU have no "poll of atheists". I actually doubt you even know ONE.

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