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07-07-2015, 04:24 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 03:34 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(06-07-2015 05:05 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  but a poor explanation for those attempting to understand the makeup of our moral perceptions, of what goes into them, what leads these perceptions to take on the forms and distinctions, the sort of innateness of them, our perceptions of moral obligations, that layer of objectivity those perceptions accumulate, our desire to be good.
You do not need to invoke a magical god with magic rules imprinted onto the hearts of humans, you do not need to invoke an evolved (but thus far undiscovered) evolutionary moral sense in order to explain human behavior.

These wild speculations are unnecessary.

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07-07-2015, 04:39 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 04:24 AM)Chas Wrote:  Evolution is not wild speculation. Read a book. Drinking Beverage

Evolution favors traits that improve survival and reproduction.

If my wife and I decide to never have kids, is that immoral?

Is suicide immoral?

Evolution favors dominance and aggression, as well as empathy and compassion.

Is dominance moral/immoral?
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07-07-2015, 04:57 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 04:39 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  Evolution favors traits that improve survival and reproduction.

If my wife and I decide to never have kids, is that immoral?

Is suicide immoral?

Evolution favors dominance and aggression, as well as empathy and compassion.

Is dominance moral/immoral?

Evolution is a process that has no care either which way.

evolution
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noun
1.
the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

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07-07-2015, 05:08 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 04:39 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(07-07-2015 04:24 AM)Chas Wrote:  Evolution is not wild speculation. Read a book. Drinking Beverage

Evolution favors traits that improve survival and reproduction.

If my wife and I decide to never have kids, is that immoral?

Is suicide immoral?

Evolution favors dominance and aggression, as well as empathy and compassion.

Is dominance moral/immoral?

You are confused. Evolved moral sense, e.g. empathy - not moral codes.

Really, you need to read a book on evolution. Drinking Beverage

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07-07-2015, 05:15 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 04:39 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(07-07-2015 04:24 AM)Chas Wrote:  Evolution is not wild speculation. Read a book. Drinking Beverage

Evolution favors traits that improve survival and reproduction.

If my wife and I decide to never have kids, is that immoral?

Is suicide immoral?

Evolution favors dominance and aggression, as well as empathy and compassion.

Is dominance moral/immoral?

That is irrelevant to his comment. Argument from morality is a fallacy.

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07-07-2015, 05:29 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
My name is chas. I have nothing to offer in the discussion, so I'm simply going to claim intellectual superiority.
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07-07-2015, 05:31 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 05:29 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  My name is chas. I have nothing to offer in the discussion, so I'm simply going to claim intellectual superiority.

Chas is dishonest, and so are you. Facepalm

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07-07-2015, 05:34 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(06-07-2015 08:29 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  One very simple question for tomasia, or anyone else who'd like to take a stab.

Why is slavery for horses ok, while slavery for humans is not? If not subjective preference, then what?

At least attempt to answer before rejecting nihilism.

As I pointed out earlier, folks like Aquinas and General Lee believed slavery was ok, yet morally wrong. There a could be variety of reasons why slavery might be ok in some sense, perhaps even a necessity for certain periods in time.

Ok =/= morally good. Even people who believe somethings are ok, don't conflate the two. Even in regards to horses, while one may believe it's okay to own horses and use them for field work, etc..., doesn't mean their add a moral dimension to it, or believing it be morally right.

Our everyday morality (as oppose to some philosophical construct) is something about our relational aspects with others, the conditions of one self, being, or what religious folks might call a soul, but the words we use to describe the thing in question doesn't matter much. A man whose cruel to animals, treats them poorly, something about that carries over into relationship with other human beings as well. It's something about who he is, that he tainted by his cruelty. You'd likely think twice about letting your daughter date a man who tortures dogs for fun in his spare time. If my mother was doing this, it's likely that she would resemble the woman that I know now.
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07-07-2015, 05:35 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 05:31 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(07-07-2015 05:29 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  My name is chas. I have nothing to offer in the discussion, so I'm simply going to claim intellectual superiority.

Chas is dishonest, and so are you. Facepalm

Can you show where I have been dishonest?
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07-07-2015, 05:37 AM
RE: Another attack on moral subjectivism
(07-07-2015 05:35 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(07-07-2015 05:31 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Chas is dishonest, and so are you. Facepalm

Can you show where I have been dishonest?

Using an argument from morality fallacy. Morality doesn't determine truth.

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