Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
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28-04-2013, 12:57 PM
Re: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
It's probably also worth noting that if I have ever appeared so as to make the impression that this is a simple problem with a simple solution, then I apologize. I have not intended to do so.
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28-04-2013, 01:13 PM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
You haven't even defined the problem.


And is my other thread too much of a "cock of a response"?

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28-04-2013, 01:55 PM
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(28-04-2013 01:13 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  You haven't even defined the problem.


And is my other thread too much of a "cock of a response"?

Problem = unnecessary gun deaths

Explicit enough? And what thread? I've seen no solution in any thread from you. Just" leave my guns alone. "
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28-04-2013, 01:56 PM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(28-04-2013 12:47 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  This isn't a technical problem where the problem and the solution are so easily defined and executed.

If you can't define the problem, you can't arrive at a solution.

What is it you want to accomplish regarding school shootings or accidental home shootings?

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28-04-2013, 01:57 PM
Re: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
Reduce the number of unnecessary gun deaths. How is this that hard to get?
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28-04-2013, 02:00 PM
Re: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
There is not such thing as a accidental gun death. If you "accidentally" shoot someone while "cleaning", that's no accident, you somehow had a loaded firearm pointed at someone you didn't intend on destroying. That's called criminal negligence.
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28-04-2013, 02:01 PM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(28-04-2013 01:55 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(28-04-2013 01:13 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  You haven't even defined the problem.


And is my other thread too much of a "cock of a response"?

Problem = unnecessary gun deaths

Explicit enough? And what thread? I've seen no solution in any thread from you. Just" leave my guns alone. "

And what is it you want to achieve? Fewer gun deaths? Almost no gun deaths? Zero gun deaths?

When you have defined the problem, then we can define the solution space.

If "zero unnecessary gun deaths" is your problem definition, the solution space is quite small.
It consists of "zero guns". This is very probably not achievable.

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28-04-2013, 02:03 PM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(28-04-2013 02:00 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  There is not such thing as a accidental gun death. If you "accidentally" shoot someone while "cleaning", that's no accident, you somehow had a loaded firearm pointed at someone you didn't intend on destroying. That's called criminal negligence.

Let's agree, or at least cooperate, on some reasonable language.

That is negligent behavior, but it certainly falls into the "unnecessary gun deaths" category regardless of whether one considers it 'accidental' or 'negligent'.

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28-04-2013, 02:07 PM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(28-04-2013 01:57 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Reduce the number of unnecessary gun deaths. How is this that hard to get?

OK, many states have laws regarding the safe storage of guns in the home, car, boat, wherever. Some states have required gun safety courses before issuing a permit to possess a firearm.

However, I don't believe the majority do.

It would be reasonable to require a safety course before one can legally possess a firearm. Agreed?

Therefore, part of the solution might be to regularize firearms laws across jurisdictions.

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28-04-2013, 03:28 PM
Re: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
I think we have agreed on all these points before. So, that is a good start.
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