Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
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16-04-2013, 09:38 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(15-04-2013 07:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(15-04-2013 07:05 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You're really going to go there too? Seriously? Those laws will be used to prosecute these assholes too.

Yes, but those laws, which are very clear and strong, did not prevent this.

We live in a free society. I think it's impossible to keep everyone safe all the time.

Well, not without drastically limiting our civil liberties and freedoms.


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16-04-2013, 09:59 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(16-04-2013 09:38 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(15-04-2013 07:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  Yes, but those laws, which are very clear and strong, did not prevent this.

We live in a free society. I think it's impossible to keep everyone safe all the time.

Well, not without drastically limiting our civil liberties and freedoms.

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What are we free to do in this society that makes it a free society?


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16-04-2013, 10:01 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(16-04-2013 09:59 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(16-04-2013 09:38 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  We live in a free society. I think it's impossible to keep everyone safe all the time.

Well, not without drastically limiting our civil liberties and freedoms.

(burstin cliche bubbles)

What are we free to do in this society that makes it a free society?


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16-04-2013, 10:02 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(16-04-2013 09:59 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(16-04-2013 09:38 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  We live in a free society. I think it's impossible to keep everyone safe all the time.

Well, not without drastically limiting our civil liberties and freedoms.

(burstin cliche bubbles)

What are we free to do in this society that makes it a free society?


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Well you are proof that you can make idiotic statements defaming the government with no ill effects. If this was not a free society (ala argentina in the 80's and 90's) anyone speaking out like you would have been disapeared. You should look up that phrase and see what all it entails, but have your mommy make you a lunch first cause it's a long topic.

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16-04-2013, 10:09 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(16-04-2013 09:00 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  For instance, a man who is charged with a felony for a victimless crime cannot own a forearm. That same man could be the victim of a home invasion and if he were armed, he'd have a much better chance of defending himself. But since he can't possess a firearm, he may well be killed by the perpetrator of a crime with an actual victim, simply because a paranoid law denied him the right to own a device that could save his life and property.

The latter part is compete, nonsensical bullshit.

However, I do like that you seem to be of the position that ex-cons, especially in the case of being ex (convicted and served punishment; if it would even matter), should not be deprived of rights, and that their rights should be stood up for equally to every other person (i.e. not hypocritically or in contradiction).

The same should apply to people with mental illness, especially.

I personally think that there shouldn't be an individual right to own a gun, and that there definitely isn't constitutional protection to that right; but you could be sure that if I was the idiot claiming to need a gun for protection, etc., and saying that it was a fundamental and/or guaranteed right, that I wouldn't in the next sentence move to how I am okay with that right being infringed upon in any way that doesn't affect me personally.

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16-04-2013, 10:10 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(16-04-2013 10:01 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(16-04-2013 09:59 AM)I and I Wrote:  (burstin cliche bubbles)

What are we free to do in this society that makes it a free society?


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And most assuredly not their voices.

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16-04-2013, 10:18 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(16-04-2013 10:01 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(16-04-2013 09:59 AM)I and I Wrote:  (burstin cliche bubbles)

What are we free to do in this society that makes it a free society?


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Free speech lets people say whatever stupid ass comment that comes to their head... Drinking Beverage

you mean like the stupid questions that ask what freedom means? Rolleyes

Name a society where people don't or can't talk about politics in a place where relatively few will notice.
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16-04-2013, 10:31 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
So what do you do for a living I&I?
Oh, and are there are countries you like/love/approve of?

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16-04-2013, 10:38 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
(16-04-2013 10:01 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(16-04-2013 09:59 AM)I and I Wrote:  (burstin cliche bubbles)

What are we free to do in this society that makes it a free society?


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I just meant we don't live under the constant threat of martial law. We can stay out as late as we wish, there are no curfews to limit or restrict our movements. If we want to give up our freedoms and impose such limits under the guise of keeping us safe...

I kinda went into a small that was totally off topic....so I think I'll just leave this here.


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16-04-2013, 10:42 AM
RE: Another example of BS statistics and Strawmen, in the guns debate
It was argued to me the other day that I shouldn't have guns because a bad guy could hold me up and take my guns, then I wouldn't have any guns. This was a professor mind you. WTF kind of stupid argument is that? I shouldn't have guns because their exists a possibility that I wouldn't have them? You could say the same for any object.

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