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09-02-2015, 07:04 AM
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(08-02-2015 02:38 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(08-02-2015 02:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  My gut reaction is to deny/revoke citizenship and deport any immigrants who participate in those protests.

There is no valid reason for them to stay in a country whose core values they so clearly disagree with and want to fundamentally change.

That would be politically incorrect, we can't have that happening.

... I dunno. If *we* like free speech then advocating deportation for those we dislike expressing themselves also seems a bit off.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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09-02-2015, 08:36 AM (This post was last modified: 09-02-2015 09:30 AM by Chas.)
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(08-02-2015 07:09 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Well; first off, Islam is not a political ideology. No more than, say, Christianity. Or socialism or conservatism or any extremely broad term...

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. The Quran and hadiths make it clear that Islam demands political power - a theocracy.

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09-02-2015, 08:54 AM
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We ought to launch another crusade against Islam, but this time it will be a crusade of reason, rather than superstition, and our weapons shall be cartoons rather than swords.

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09-02-2015, 10:35 AM
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There is a point here I'm just not following. You have a group of people exercising their rights in peaceful protest about something they disagree with. So, what's the problem? That you disagree with their message? Too bad. That's what free speech is. And yes, I get the irony, but being ironic, and ignorant for that matter, are also protected speech. I say let them have all the public peaceful tantrums they want. It's only a problem when there is violence.

Btw, this is not unique to Islam. Where any of you calling for deportations and wars when Christians complained about paintings and movies they considered blasphemous? Because, there were many opportunities to do that and I don't recall the general public or politicians taking a firm stand on the right to insult Jesus or Mary. In fact, I remember the complete opposite reaction.

So they don't want you to insult their icon and they are marching about it? So what? I can't ever get over how quickly people are willing to throw fundamental rights out as soon as someone says something they disagree with.

Btw, if Manchester U really did that, they should be ashamed.

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09-02-2015, 10:43 AM
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(09-02-2015 10:35 AM)BnW Wrote:  There is a point here I'm just not following. You have a group of people exercising their rights in peaceful protest about something they disagree with. So, what's the problem? That you disagree with their message? Too bad. That's what free speech is. And yes, I get the irony, but being ironic, and ignorant for that matter, are also protected speech. I say let them have all the public peaceful tantrums they want. It's only a problem when there is violence.

Btw, this is not unique to Islam. Where any of you calling for deportations and wars when Christians complained about paintings and movies they considered blasphemous? Because, there were many opportunities to do that and I don't recall the general public or politicians taking a firm stand on the right to insult Jesus or Mary. In fact, I remember the complete opposite reaction.

So they don't want you to insult their icon and they are marching about it? So what? I can't ever get over how quickly people are willing to throw fundamental rights out as soon as someone says something they disagree with.

Btw, if Manchester U really did that, they should be ashamed.

I think it is reasonable to consider deporting an immigrant who wants to fundamentally change the society by limiting people's rights.

And before you claim this to be ironic, those people came voluntarily and were permitted to do so at Her Majesty's pleasure. I doubt Her Majesty is pleased.

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09-02-2015, 10:55 AM
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So, where is the line? Are citizens still allowed to have contrary opinions? What about permanent residents? What is the requirements for time and status before fundamental freedoms apply to you?

I obviously disagree with you on the reasonableness of your position. Freedom of speech exists for all or it will exist for none.

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09-02-2015, 10:58 AM
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(09-02-2015 10:55 AM)BnW Wrote:  So, where is the line? Are citizens still allowed to have contrary opinions? What about permanent residents? What is the requirements for time and status before fundamental freedoms apply to you?

I obviously disagree with you on the reasonableness of your position. Freedom of speech exists for all or it will exist for none.

Freedom of speech is not absolute. Calling for the violent overthrow of the government will land you in jail, for example. So limits are already in place.

Immigrants do not have the same rights as citizens and may be deported.

Therefore, what I said would not only be reasonable, it would be legal.

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09-02-2015, 11:54 AM
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Sedition is not what's at issue here. And, you're wrong about the legality, at least in the US. As for what's reasonable, that is a subjective standard and I completely disagree with your opinion. I can think of few things less reasonable than limiting the rights of people to express unpopular opinions.

Btw, how do you know all the protesters are immigrants? I'd bet that a whole lot of them are UK citizens.

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09-02-2015, 03:10 PM
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Us immigrants are always gettin' deported Weeping I met a man in Cape Town once who had walked from Congo to get there, been deported, and walked back again...

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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09-02-2015, 03:50 PM
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(09-02-2015 03:10 PM)morondog Wrote:  Us immigrants are always gettin' deported Weeping I met a man in Cape Town once who had walked from Congo to get there, been deported, and walked back again...

Jesus christ that's determination!

I read in the newspaper about 3 years ago that border police found a man in the Eurotunnel about half way in walking towards France. They found out he had set off from France and changed his mind half way because he remembered how shit it was in England xD

It was something along the lines of that anyway.

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