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22-09-2013, 06:58 PM
"Anti- vaccine"
Does avoiding a few vaccines make you anti vaccine. If you are a parent and you've researched the issue of vaccines you've probably decided that the pro v anti dichotomy is made up of 2 extremes. 1 side says vaccines perfectly safe and that those who oppose them are acting in a dangerous way. They believe that the people who oppose vaccines are elite yoga moms etc. The anti vaccine side says that vaccines are only harmless and that they are an evil money making scheme. What I've discovered are parents, like me, who believe in vaccination but look at the sharp increase of vaccines from when I was young (born in 73) until now. It's a much different vaccine schedule. My wife and I opted to vaccinate our children on a slightly different schedule. Both our children have received more than 2x as many shots as we did. We aren't at all opposed to vaccination. The frustration I find with " skeptics" is that they are generally so selective about where they focus their skepticism Is it at all possible that the Vaccine schedule has anything at all to do with the profit motive?
Growing up in the 80s I think the kids I knew where healthy , thanks to vaccines and clean water that eliminated polio etc. but why is there a need for shots for illnesses most of us didn't think existed or wasn't a problem. I really don't need people to rant about how careless I am. I can safely say that I researched the hell out of this issue and if forced , I'd say I'm pro vaccine. However , why do children need shots for Hep B the day they are born? Is the roto virus vaccine necessary starting at 2 months? I'd like people to read this and consider that the pro v anti vaccine is just not applicable for most truely skeptical parents. And, Jenny McCarthy - although I liked her on that MTV show 20 years ago- had nothing to do with my decisions.
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22-09-2013, 07:03 PM
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Hey, don't be hatin' on skeptics. And by the way, I HATE needles.

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22-09-2013, 07:07 PM
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I am pro-polio vaccine.

Anti-anthrax vaccine (was forced (?) on me in the Navy before they stopped forcing it)
Anti-flu vaccine
Anti-HPV vaccine
Anti-chickenpox vaccine

Pro-rabies vaccine for my dogs along with heartworm preventative.

My view of vaccines represents a focus group of one (me). Sometimes I get the flu, sometimes I don't. Polio was almost eradicated long before I was born by a vaccine that had been in use for a long time before I got it. I don't want my daughters to be test subjects for the larger test group for HPV vaccine.

No concerns about mercury poisoning or autism. Just concerns about blindly allowing someone in a lab coat to inject me (or my charges) with some poison I know nothing about, he/she knows nothing about but Glaxo-Smith-Kline touts as the next best cure all.

So does avoiding a few make you anti-vaccine? You know that depends on who you ask.
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22-09-2013, 07:20 PM
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These kind of questions belong in a doctor's practice, not an internet forum.

That said, as long as you are aware of the risks (for you and for others) and make an informed decision, then do whatever you want and face the consequences, good or bad, as they come.

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22-09-2013, 07:49 PM (This post was last modified: 22-09-2013 08:39 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: "Anti- vaccine"
(22-09-2013 06:58 PM)Chrisinfp Wrote:  Does avoiding a few vaccines make you anti vaccine. If you are a parent and you've researched the issue of vaccines you've probably decided that the pro v anti dichotomy is made up of 2 extremes. 1 side says vaccines perfectly safe and that those who oppose them are acting in a dangerous way. They believe that the people who oppose vaccines are elite yoga moms etc. The anti vaccine side says that vaccines are only harmless and that they are an evil money making scheme. What I've discovered are parents, like me, who believe in vaccination but look at the sharp increase of vaccines from when I was young (born in 73) until now. It's a much different vaccine schedule. My wife and I opted to vaccinate our children on a slightly different schedule. Both our children have received more than 2x as many shots as we did. We aren't at all opposed to vaccination. The frustration I find with " skeptics" is that they are generally so selective about where they focus their skepticism Is it at all possible that the Vaccine schedule has anything at all to do with the profit motive?
Growing up in the 80s I think the kids I knew where healthy , thanks to vaccines and clean water that eliminated polio etc. but why is there a need for shots for illnesses most of us didn't think existed or wasn't a problem. I really don't need people to rant about how careless I am. I can safely say that I researched the hell out of this issue and if forced , I'd say I'm pro vaccine. However , why do children need shots for Hep B the day they are born? Is the roto virus vaccine necessary starting at 2 months? I'd like people to read this and consider that the pro v anti vaccine is just not applicable for most truely skeptical parents. And, Jenny McCarthy - although I liked her on that MTV show 20 years ago- had nothing to do with my decisions.

You need to talk to a pediatrician you trust.
Anti-HPV pre sexual activity prevents horrible cancers .. the fact it was recently developed is irrelevant to it's effectiveness. Unless you're in the medical field, you have no way to judge what is really seen or not seen regularly in the clinic or the hospital or the ED. You HAVE to go with the pro's advice. They're not all in it for the money. Individual physicians get no $ from prescribing vaccines. I actually worked for a couple months on the Roto-virus vaccine research one Summer. I saw horrible consequences in Peds ICU's (intusseception and other horrible stuff on preemies and newborns from he virus, (not the vaccine)), Find a peds MD you trust, and ask their advice. Researching it yourself is impossible.

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22-09-2013, 08:00 PM
RE: "Anti- vaccine"
(22-09-2013 06:58 PM)Chrisinfp Wrote:  Does avoiding a few vaccines make you anti vaccine
Don't fall into the pro / anti duality trap. Nuanced opinions are the sign of a thoughtful person.

(22-09-2013 06:58 PM)Chrisinfp Wrote:  Is it at all possible that the Vaccine schedule has anything at all to do with the profit motive?
Any time a corporation is involved the profit motive is present and worthy of suspicion. However, that does NOT mean that vaccine schedules, increased numbers of vaccines, etc. are solely due to conniving greedy profiteers. Doctors themselves do not usually profit from vaccine sales.

If you want to eliminate the doctors' profit motives, get vaccines at a community clinic. If you want to eliminate the vaccine producers' profit motive, get vaccines in a country with free / publicly subsidized vaccines. If you want to eliminate the profit motive entirely, support market abolition, participatory socialism, and ask your congresscritters for legislative action to counteract the fiction of corporate "personhood."

(22-09-2013 06:58 PM)Chrisinfp Wrote:  why do children need shots for Hep B the day they are born?
Kids need Hep B vaccines as soon as they're born because a) their immune systems are at their weakest, and b) they will be in close contact with a large group of people who are members of an at-risk population; that is, doctors and nurses, who have regular contact with bodily fluids. These folks can get a stick / nick / cut, and accidentally drip onto a newborn's eye, and that's all it takes to transmit the virus.

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22-09-2013, 08:01 PM
RE: "Anti- vaccine"
What vaccines people should get depends on the risk the diseases pose to them, I think. For the average person, a polio vaccine is vital, but a flu shot is not. The best course of action is to become informed about the diseases and the vaccines, and make a decision after consultation with a doctor. "Anti-vaccine" would be opposing vaccines based on philosophical dispositions or misinformation.

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22-09-2013, 08:26 PM
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Thank you for all the responses. No name calling - very nice
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22-09-2013, 08:41 PM
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I do have to say that I take issue with your saying one side says vaccines are "perfectly safe". Nothing is perfectly safe. Everyone's makeup is different so there can't be a 100% safe anything when it comes to putting something such as a medication or vaccine into a person's system. You can even say that about foods.

Other than that, I agree, take your pediatrician's advice. My son came down with a mild case of measles after his first MMR. When it came time for the next one I asked the doctor about it. He said if it was his child he would still vaccinate. We had no issues with any other vaccines although the damn pertussis one didn't take and he did get that. My girls had no ill effects from any of their vaccinations.

I started getting flu shots when I was diagnosed with cancer and facing surgery within a month. I didn't need to be sick and have the surgery postponed. I have taken one every year since and will be getting my next on on the 30th. But I know a lot of people who have never had one.

Doing research on your own is something that I won't argue with, I did plenty when it came to cancer treatments. However, I have do have a bit of medical background thanks to completing a medical assistant course that was very similar to an LPN course. I also come from a medical family so I know the terminology pretty well. But I coupled what I was able to learn with guidance from physicians to come up with a plan.

After the measles outbreak here thanks to anti-vaxers, I really think that the typical round of vaccines are in place for a reason (to prevent disease) and not to benefit big pharma. Now we have a TB case that is causing concern.

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22-09-2013, 08:53 PM
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I never got the TB shot... I was going to but a couple of my mates had weird reactions. One had his arm swell up and turn green...

So I didn't bother... apparently it wares off after a few years anyway.

And I'm not sure if I had the MMR booster... I always thought you were supposed to have that at about 12 or 13, but someone said you have it when you're a baby. If so then I've had both shots... but I still managed to catch measles when I was 12.

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