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12-10-2011, 11:47 AM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
(12-10-2011 05:25 AM)Stark Raving Wrote:  I may very well be stating the obvious here, but I'm gonna say it anyways.

Although cannabis can be helpful with depression, it is not for everyone.

Yeah... absolutely right. It's not for everyone nor is it something that can be lightly prescribed as is true of any drug. I over stated "excellent for depression" I should have said "can be excellent for depression"

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12-10-2011, 02:10 PM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
Hi Zatamon,
You seem to be in the grip of the blahs and from what you've said, it's a continuing obstacle. It's a great thing for you to recognize and want to take control of! I think you came to the right place for suggestions... although, a grain of salt might be worth a bit more than a truck load of pot... ok, maybe not... just sayin'. Dodgy While we can't "un-know" anything, maybe we just need to put aside what we know in order to keep our heads from exploding. And that is sometimes easier said than done.
Wow, what an intelligent person and what a bio -great to get to know you better! I'm going to suggest an easy thing that may appeal to anyone who's considered exploring themselves a bit differently. Considering the information you process on a daily basis, a lot of your current activity might be primarily cerebral, so you may want to offset that with physical activity. If you have a current exercise routine, it might not clear your mind but in fact, it could actually concentrate your thoughts on the very depressive ideas you are trying to find relief from.
I'm going to suggest trying yoga. It provides techniques to exercise your body and your brain. One can put depressive thoughts into perspective, by examining them separately, rationally, and quickly move on. But many times, one needs complete eraser of all thought in order to move on. Yoga can provide techniques to achieve that kind of relief.
I've done it for many years and it's been quite helpful to me for any physical issues I encounter, while helping to pull my mind away from obsessive thoughts. And there's no bullshit, belief system to fuck with my head... in fact, yoga only provides you with a body and a brain... which in reality, are the only things you bring to it.
http://www.yogalifestyle.com/Bk28DayRH.htm
(I'm not endorsing that website, just use it to show this book and what it looks like. I've always done my yoga alone- no products to buy or people to pay for lessons… to me, "free" is what it's about.)
I've given a few people who've asked, this very simple book which can be picked up in any bookstore or online, pretty cheaply. Obviously written for the average young woman of the 60s, but I've given it to several men and they find no problem working around that view point. But hey, you get to see all the slightly dated photos of the "cute-girl-next-door" illustrating the poses in tights!! (big selling point, no doubt) If you have a physical issue, read through the book a couple of times through, and you will see that any of the exercises can be modified to suit you.
Go very slow. If you give it a try and it's not for you, you'll figure it out.
Although, I would suggest getting into yoga "drug-free", gotta say; I used to love getting high and doing my yoga…. what an amazing feeling! But that was oh-so-many moons ago. And drugs are not really necessary. She said. Blush
Oh, yes she did say that, uh huh. Dodgy

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12-10-2011, 02:48 PM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
my suggestions:
- chat with people who make you feel good
- go for a run
- rent a funny movie
- make love to yourself or someone else
- eat chocolate covered strawberries with a glass of pinot noir
- play with a little kid
- go swimming
- get your hair did
- watch the video for 'everyday' by dave matthews on youtube
- do not allow yourself to sleep longer than 8 hrs & no naps
- eat whole grains
- no sad or bleak movies
- commit a random act of kindness

Heart Be good for goodness sake!
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12-10-2011, 04:12 PM
 
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
Thanks again for the new suggestions. You guys are great!

Let me clarify:

I am basically OK, not in any kind of crisis. The OP was kicked off by a very ‘blue’ day when I just did not see any hope for humanity. It comes and goes.

Rationally thinking, I see a downward slope for humanity that we may not recover from. Technology is the key: on one hand we still have the same evolutionary psychology we had thousands of years ago, on the other hand: our technology now is, and can be, deadly for us and the planet.

On days, when I fully realize this, I feel such a deep sadness and despair that I can’t lift a finger any more to do anything that makes life enjoyable for me. That, obviously, makes me very unhappy.

This is not a physiological condition: it is purely Psychological. I usually come out of it in a day or two and get on with my life which is full of fun, creativity and happiness. I have a perfect marriage, with a partner (of 30 years) who is the most incredible human being I have ever known, in perfect harmony with me in every respect.

It is the two of us, in our comfortable bubble, that will probably last as long as we do: we are both old: I am 71, she is 65.

Still, I always wanted to be part of something larger than ourselves and, for a long time, I had hoped: humanity could be that larger something. I have lost my faith in our species a while back (even though I love many individuals – many of you included) so I switched my allegiance to LIFE, as I explained in the “How to cope” thread.

I have not been diagnosed as clinically depressed, I just suffer from knowing too much.

I am sorry if I mislead you to think that I was out of control – it was only a cry of despair in a moment of feeling utterly helpless, without any hope for our human future.

Again, thank you all for the wonderful suggestions, many of which I will try for sure.
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12-10-2011, 05:00 PM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
Well, I guess we care about you, Zate! With a subject name like this, maybe the information herein will be helpful to anyone who comes here who has difficult days... like we all do!

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12-10-2011, 06:28 PM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
Very true, De Facto 7.
We are transitory beings (just ask G.M) and really need to re address our value systems constantly.
Drugs, porn, swinging,huge egos, fashion, selfish needs, sport etc,etc....
Been there done that: short term pleasure long term pain......

Yeah its easy for an old man like me to say, nearly 70, but the same principles apply and if I had my druthers again I'd have opted for a different path.
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13-10-2011, 02:40 AM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
It looks like you all missed the problem, it was written in the first post. Zatamon, just go out and buy some good scotch. You are depressed, because you ran out of juice.

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13-10-2011, 10:11 AM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
Hi, Zatamon - No worries, I figured you were probably just in a bit of a funk -been there myself. What we do to get out of it all, looks to be as wonderfully varied as our diverse personalities. I am glad you posted this... I got some great refer info here. Cool
Of course, you are -we are- part of something bigger than all of us; evolution can proceed at a maddeningly incremental pace and so, is entirely imperceptible. That simple reminder gets me a teeny bit smaller... and then I see numerous people flocking to rational thought and I am further encouraged. I have actually begun to see more and more people coming to their senses, rejecting faith, and rationally trying to take responsibility for the world around them. Drop in the bucket -maybe, so far- but it is happening. Yes, I also see a negative trajectory, the flow of which we struggle against daily... but the pendulum continually swings.
So, new friend... head out to the liquor store and restock, whilst I twist myself into a comfortable pretzel and clear my mind, and defacto7 blazes up. There are times when we all need to grasp that pendulum, swing above it all, and giddily laugh at the beautiful absurdity that is humanity. Heart

Dodgy However....
Shhhh... don't tell anyone that we're such a helpful, caring, thoughtful, nurturing bunch of people; don't ruin our reputations! If this kind of thing gets around.... Oh! I can just hear the whispering behind my back at Sunday Cannibal Brunch!! Wink

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13-10-2011, 10:27 AM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
That's it. I think we all need to go eat a baby or two before we get labelled as "nice", "caring", or "compassionate". Like Kim said, we got a rep to uphold!

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13-10-2011, 11:13 PM
RE: Antidote against depression? Suggestions? Anyone?
Zatamon,

Here's another one for your list:

Music. Great music.

People can turn against you; your body can betray you; the world can be falling apart around you. But Bach is always Bach, in all his beauty and perfection. Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Bartok, Britten, Bernstein . . . they won't let you down. Let them lift you up.

I believe you once mentioned you were a classical violinist. Are you practicing these days? How about finding some musicians to get together with? If there's a pianist in the area, what about meeting regularly to work on Mozart sonatas? Are there other string players around? How about joining a group for trios and quartets? (There are web sites for classical music hookups you can locate easily.) I find there's nothing like music-making to raise my spirits and make me think life is worthwhile after all.

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