Apparently "Real" Exorcisms are Classified by The Vatican but "Documented"
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04-06-2017, 11:34 PM (This post was last modified: 04-06-2017 11:38 PM by OmniConsUme.)
RE: Apparently "Real" Exorcisms are Classified by The Vatican but "Documented"
Found the other post:
Quote:The definition of Satan is of course very subjective.

Years ago, we (a group of people responsible for general threat assessments among other things) were asked to look into the concept of demonic possession. To this effect we were given a briefing by officials from the Roman Catholic Church.

The evidence presented was overwhelming: demonic possession does exist (we already knew that from various military and state security files) and we considered it a real threat.


Now, I need to clarify a couple of things. Demonic possession is not limited to persons, it also applies to animals, vehicles, buildings, and geographical locations.

The phenomenon is real and various religions have developed rituals to deal with the threats, exorcisms performed by the Roman Catholic Church are the best known.

The Church considers demonic possession to be linked to the existence of Satan which personifies the concept of evil. Whether evil as such is an entity ir not could not be ascertained. Whether demonic possession is caused by beings from the beyond, or by beings from another dimension, or by beings from our own dimension which we haven’t been able to detect couldn’t be ascertained either.

Fact remains the phenomenon is real and exorcisms do work. The Church has also been compiling a list of demonic beings (I use this term by lack of a better one) and their place within the demonic hierarchy, pretty much the same way military intelligence tries to determine an enemy’s order of battle.

Now whether these phenomena all originate from a single entity, we don’t know, but if you want to personify evil (as we as humans understand it of course, the term itself might be very subjective on a grander scale) than one could say Satan is real.

Apparently Evidence is overwhelming... except for anything in the public.
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04-06-2017, 11:52 PM
RE: Apparently "Real" Exorcisms are Classified by The Vatican but "Documented"
Doesn't Exorcist Bob Larson perform exorcism and train people to perform exorcism?
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04-06-2017, 11:59 PM
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So, wait.

The Catholic church wields what must be millions of dollars of influence over military, utilities, police, courts, and the like FOR EVERY INCIDENT in order to cover and cover up evacuations. They cover it up despite the fact that it being public knowledge would bring people flocking to their churches and filling up their offering bowls. And despite a conspiracy of hundreds (again, for each incident) manage to keep it secret FROM THE ENTIRE WORLD save for a few tropes and conspiracy theory kooks.

.... and yet on a smaller scale, with only hundreds of dollars and one or two witnesses and a handful of accomplices per incident, and when the revelation would actually damage them... they FAIL at covering up the rape of their own parishioners' children.

........

That there's what we call a "special" kind of stupid.
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05-06-2017, 12:06 AM
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(04-06-2017 11:59 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  They cover it up despite the fact that it being public knowledge would bring people flocking to their churches and filling up their offering bowls.
Yeah.Maybe this is the kind of thing evidence that will bring me back to theism.They shouldn't be so secretive about it.
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05-06-2017, 02:50 AM
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Quote: An ambulance takes the victim to an abbey or convent where the exorcism is performed. Exorcisms last weeks to years. In Europe, in order to ensure the anonymity of the victim, they are often moved across borders. Governments leave everything over to the Roman Catholic Church (at least in Western Europe), they are in charge.

Sounds like people trafficking to me Unsure

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05-06-2017, 03:49 AM
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(04-06-2017 07:24 PM)OmniConsUme Wrote:  
Quote:Yes they are.

There are several well documented cases of demonic possession and successful exorcisms, alas, all remain classified within Roman Catholic Archives.

I life in Belgian, and I've known a Priest who was involved (as assistant) in several exorcisms. A friend of mine is also a medical doctor and used to be a member of the National Board of Medical Doctors. When in Belgium an exorcism is performed, there is always an MD present, a representative from the Military Medical Service (now Component) and sometimes from other state agencies. The exorcist needs to be a Catholic Priest, a trained exorcist and he needs to have a medical doctorate and a doctorate in psychology.

The usual excuse is a gas leak after which the street or neighbourhood is evacuated. Than the exorcist, with one or more assistants (he calls the shots) goes in with the government witnesses. In contrast to the movies, exorcisms aren't performed at home but at religious sites. An ambulance takes the victim to an abbey or convent where the exorcism is performed. Exorcisms last weeks to years. In Europe, in order to ensure the anonymity of the victim, they are often moved across borders. Governments leave everything over to the Roman Catholic Church (at least in Western Europe), they are in charge.

I know of several cases in the US that involved the military and one case was documented on video, again the Roman Catholic Church called the shots. The video is classified (the Church refuses to release details in order to protect the victims, they're very strict about this), I watched it, and it pretty much confirmed what my Belgian doctor friend had told me. That doctor used to be an atheist ... until he had to witness an exorcism (never seen anyone so frightened in my life, and he only escorted the victim from the house to the nearest abbey. That night he asked me to go on a boozy bender and whether I would go to church with him on Sunday).

I know the Roman Catholic Church has been creating Orders of Battle and chains of command of demonic legions for almost 2,000 years now pretty much the same way ordinary military intelligence agencies do it for terrestrial order of battles. These things are taken very seriously. I'm really glad it's not my problem.

This is according to a Former NATO but Current Belgium Military Scenario Planner, Thierry Etienne Joseph Rotty, studied at University of Antwerp, Who also doesn't believe in UFOs.Facepalm
https://www.quora.com/Are-possessions-an...cisms-real

I need to dig up another answer for him but he also says other religions had Differing rituals as well.

yeah, some people get "cured". Some people would be cured if you poked them with a stick and stopped drinkin and drugging too. And some ( i think most) of these are just flat out fraud.

whats funny, is that the closer we study them the more more they don't happen as claimed.
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05-06-2017, 09:03 AM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2017 09:20 AM by OmniConsUme.)
RE: Apparently "Real" Exorcisms are Classified by The Vatican but "Documented"
hey Wanna bet the "Evidence" is forged?

Either that or they are covering it up because this,

Quote:The phenomenon is real and various religions have developed rituals to deal with the threats, exorcisms performed by the Roman Catholic Church are the best known.
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05-06-2017, 09:32 AM
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Quote:The phenomenon is real and various religions have developed rituals to deal with the threats, exorcisms performed by the Roman Catholic Church are the best known.

Pull in other religions for validation?Poor argument.
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05-06-2017, 11:03 AM
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Seriously does this even Jibe with the history of the Church?

I'm seriously wondering if he isn't lying, BUT the documented are Fabricated.
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05-06-2017, 11:59 AM
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Hold on, I'm finding articles that "Support" this, Which brings me another problem, This isn't Secret.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/...ecnum=2824
Quote:To do this, he must distinguish possession from superstition. Sometimes people believe they have been affected by the "evil eye" or some other form of black magic. They should not be denied spiritual aid, but no exorcism should be carried out in such cases.
The following are signs of possession: a sudden capacity to speak unknown languages; abnormal physical strength; the disclosure of hidden occurrences or events; and a vehement aversion to God, the Virgin Mary, the saints, sacramental rites and religious images, especially the cross.
In difficult cases, while always respecting the secrecy of the confessional, the exorcist may consult with spiritual guides or Church-recommended physicians and psychiatrists before deciding to perform an exorcism.
In the case of non-Catholics or other unusual situations, the exorcist-priest can leave the final decision to his diocesan bishop, who may also consult outside experts.
The exorcism should, if possible, be carried out with the consent of the possessed person, and with awareness of that person's individual physical and mental condition.
The exorcism must always be performed as an expression of Catholic faith, and should never give the impression that it is a superstitious or magical event.
At the same time, an exorcism should never turn into a "show" for the faithful. For that reason, media representatives and journalists must not be allowed to attend. The success or failure of an exorcism is not to be announced or published.
Relatives and friends may assist at an exorcism, if the exorcist deems it helpful, since they are able to help with their prayers. The possessed person should pray to God, particularly before the ritual, and strengthen his soul by receiving the sacraments of Baptism, Confession and Communion."
If at all possible, the exorcism should take place in a church, or if not, in a closed-in place, with images of Christ Crucified and of the Mother of God. The exorcist makes the sign of the Cross over the victim's head, and immediately afterwards speaks the phrase commanding the devil, in Christ's name, to depart from the body of the possessed.


Meaning Why the hell aren't The Cathloc Churches' Letting scientists come over, Oh wait they DO want them.
From Secualar Right:
http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/tag/exorcism/
Quote:He called for the establishment of a permanent training college or university where Catholic priests would be taught how to counter the malign influence of the Devil. “There doesn’t exist a training institution at university level. We need an interdisciplinary approach in which science collaborates with religion, and psychiatrists work with demonologists and exorcists.”
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