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09-02-2017, 06:03 PM
RE: Aquatopia
"sea foam--
in the fleeting wave
a Heike crab"

Because we all know how much you love waves, Bucky, dearest Yes

"Heikegani is a species of crab native to Japan, with a shell that bears a pattern resembling a human face. According to Japanese folklore, the Heikegani crabs contain the souls of the Heike samurai warriors who were slain at the Battle of Dan-no-ura in 1185 AD, a war over the Japanese imperial throne. The story goes that the Heike samurai, reincarnated into the Heikegani (Heikeposis japonica) crab, were showing their allegiance to their clan by donning a fierce mask on their shells. The battle of Dan-no-ura (Dannoura), immortalized in the Heike Monogatari (the Tale of Heike,) was a pivotal moment in Japan’s history, which established the first shogunate (military dictatorship) and resulted in the death of a child emperor."

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Heikegani were used by Carl Sagan in his popular science television series Cosmos: A Personal Voyage as an example of unintentional artificial selection,[3] an interpretation published by Julian Huxley in 1952.[4] According to this hypothesis, the crabs with shells resembling Samurai were thrown back to the sea by fishermen out of respect for the Heike warriors, while those not resembling Samurai were eaten, giving the former a greater chance of reproducing. Thus, the more closely the crabs resemble a samurai face, the more likely they would be spared and thrown back.
This idea has met with some skepticism, as noted by Joel W. Martin. He posits that humans don't use heikegani for food, and as such there is no artificial pressure favoring face-like shell patterns, contrary to Sagan's implication.[4] The pattern of ridges on the carapace serves a very functional purpose as sites of muscle attachment. Similar patterns are found on species in many parts of the world, including fossil remains.

"E se non passa la tristezza con altri occhi la guarderò."
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09-02-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Aquatopia
(09-02-2017 05:10 PM)Vera Wrote:  Are we going to have *yet* another round of Eliot vs. The Great Haiku Masters, Girly?

Why not both?

Dull and empty the sea.
Datta. Dayadhvam. Damyata.
Shantih shantih shantih
Big Grin

#sigh
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09-02-2017, 06:44 PM
RE: Aquatopia
"classicist in literature, royalist in politics, and anglo-catholic in religion", “a Catholic cast of mind, a Calvinist heritage, and a Puritanical temperament” – exactly which of those vile things do you think I could possibly find appealing?! Also, anyone who converts to Xtianity, as an adult, is someone I can muster no respect for. Being brainwashed as I child, I understand and can sympathise with. Choosing it willingly, as a thinking (for lack of better word) man? No way am I going to be able to take you seriously, no matter what.

“if they were people
they'd be Buddhas!
sea slugs”


(Issa admires the peaceful, do-nothing sea slugs. They embody the ideal of non-striving, a core value of Jôdoshinshû (True Teaching Pure Land) Buddhism--the sect to which he belonged.)

Plus, they are possibly the most alienly beautiful creature we have (in an absolutely not empty or dull sea Dodgy )

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"E se non passa la tristezza con altri occhi la guarderò."
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09-02-2017, 06:47 PM
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I would be a shark and eat all you fuckers.
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09-02-2017, 06:55 PM
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I'd flow like river, always finding a way through even if it means swirling all around to get to the great unknown destination

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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10-02-2017, 04:25 AM
RE: Aquatopia
(09-02-2017 06:55 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I'd flow like river, always finding a way through even if it means swirling all around to get to the great unknown destination

You already are, ClydeLee, you already are Yes

"Like misty moonlight,
watery, bewildering
our temporal way"
Issa


I hate to bring the conversation round to my precious self (really, DLJ, I do, so back off Tongue ), but this reminds me of something I wrote ages ago (when I wasn’t dead inside ;-)), about a river which wanted to bring water to the desert, but on the way there kept sharing its waters with everyone who needed them (a tiny, plain flower that everyone overlooked, dying from thirst, a village whose wells have all dried up, etc.) so by the time it did reach the desert it was all but gone. So, it did manage to trickle through the desert somehow… and when it reached the end and turned around (yeah, yeah, I know it makes no sense), the desert had become a blooming (posh British swearing somewhat intended ;-)) garden. And the high point of this masterpiece was the line: “To those who have been thirsty all their lives, a single drop is like an ocean.”

Younger me thought rather highly of this line. Older me just rolls her eyes and I think to myself what a wonderful world “was that silly woman really me”?

(And Girly gets a yuuuuuge bonus, if he guesses which song I was paraphrasing, *without* googling it. Hint: The original is a very, very old Russian song, but I’m quoting the English version. There’s a French one (and a few others, actually)

"E se non passa la tristezza con altri occhi la guarderò."
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10-02-2017, 04:38 AM
RE: Aquatopia
(09-02-2017 05:53 PM)Loom Wrote:  I'd be an Orca :3

You could hunt KUSA. Wink

NOTE: Member, Tomasia uses this site to slander other individuals. He then later proclaims it a joke, but not in public.
I will call him a liar and a dog here and now.
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10-02-2017, 05:16 AM
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(10-02-2017 04:38 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 05:53 PM)Loom Wrote:  I'd be an Orca :3

You could hunt KUSA. Wink


I have frikin laser beams if you didn't notice.
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10-02-2017, 05:20 AM
RE: Aquatopia
(10-02-2017 05:16 AM)KUSA Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 04:38 AM)Banjo Wrote:  You could hunt KUSA. Wink


I have frikin laser beams if you didn't notice.

Orcas have deflectors and hunt white pointers all the time.

You're screwed. Wink

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10-02-2017, 05:47 AM
RE: Aquatopia
(10-02-2017 04:25 AM)Vera Wrote:  ...
I hate to bring the conversation round to my precious self (really, DLJ, I do, so back off Tongue )
...

No worries. You classified (made classy) this thread more than it deserved.

I was after some insight as to the meaning of 'security', 'barbarism', 'social', 'liberal', 'conservative' etc. in a natural setting (sans moralistic baggage) to see if an 'ought' from an 'is' might be forthcoming on the assumption that all creatures are seeking a combination of (or trade off between) agility and stability.

Of those (small sample size) who have expressed a preference, who do seem to represent opposites on a traditional left/right political spectrum, all have chosen liberty-creatures over security-creatures and none have gone for the 'socialist' coral reef option or even a socialist 'safety in numbers' option unless you count dolphins as socialist.

Still, I like what you're doing with the place. Carry on.

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