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15-08-2014, 03:32 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 02:10 PM)Impulse Wrote:  An omnipotent god is confined to this being "the only way".

It would take great arrogance on your part to say that which is infinitely greater than you is confined.

God chooses the best way and so it is His only way. Why would you want Him to pick a lesser way? Why bring God down to your base standards?

Jesus is the way, the truth and life and no man comes to the Father but by Him.

Jesus is either God, a lunatic or a liar. Since He wasn't a lunatic and never lied, He is God.
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15-08-2014, 03:34 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 01:43 AM)hbl Wrote:  Since the Bible provides the proof for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles and you can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for it, the burden remains on you.

Actually that would not be accepted as evidence anywhere, or in any court. It amounts to the same thing as an accused murderer's word being accepted as evidence that he didn't do the crime. It's worthless. It's an unsupported claim. The fact that someone at some point wrote down the CLAIMS, is irrelevant. You obviously don't know what constitutes "evidence".

(15-08-2014 01:43 AM)hbl Wrote:  It's true God effectively murders some people but since they were never going to give their lives to Christ where's the loss? It's actually a gain because that person God murders was going to corrupt others.

So your stupid god didn't know who was going to do what before it wasted it's time creating them ? Not exactly omniscient is she ?

(15-08-2014 01:43 AM)hbl Wrote:  For example, tribes of people in Canaan were engaged in child sacrifices throwing their children into the fiery mouth of the god Molech. God's order to Israel to destroy them was most apropos. Let's say this practice continued to this day on your street, and this year's sacrifice was your daughter. Since you hate God for murdering the murderers you condone the murder of your own daughter you sick fuck!

You do know I hope that ISRAEL also engaged in child sacrifice, and that was done in the Valley of Gahinon, outside Jerusalem.

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15-08-2014, 03:43 PM
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(15-08-2014 03:34 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The fact that someone at some point wrote down the CLAIMS, is irrelevant.

They did not just write down their claims but gave their eyewitness testimony in various group settings. All those in the know who spent 3 years with Jesus held the line and did not change their views. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. In a court of law people have gone to jail on multiply corroborated testimony.

Quote:god didn't know who was going to do what before it wasted it's time creating them ? Not exactly omniscient is she ?

Of course He knew. God did not waste His time. He is not going to prevent the creation of those who would be saved on the account many such as yourself He knew would go to Hell because they would never accept His love.

Quote:You do know I hope that ISRAEL also engaged in child sacrifice, and that was done in the Valley of Gahinon, outside Jerusalem.

Israel did not engage in child sacrifices. For example, Abraham was about to do what the nations around him did to his son Isaac, but God withheld his hand showing Him another way.

God picked out Israel to destroy those nations engaged in child sacrifices. In fact, because Israel did not complete the job, it was punished.
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15-08-2014, 04:05 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 03:43 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(15-08-2014 03:34 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The fact that someone at some point wrote down the CLAIMS, is irrelevant.

They did not just write down their claims but gave their eyewitness testimony in various group settings. All those in the know who spent 3 years with Jesus held the line and did not change their views. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. In a court of law people have gone to jail on multiply corroborated testimony.


No matter how many times you repeat this, it is still wrong.

The Gospels were written decades after the alleged events, by unknown authors, none of whom were eyewitnesses.

Quote:You do know I hope that ISRAEL also engaged in child sacrifice, and that was done in the Valley of Gahinon, outside Jerusalem.

Israel did not engage in child sacrifices. For example, Abraham was about to do what the nations around him did to his son Isaac, but God withheld his hand showing Him another way.

God picked out Israel to destroy those nations engaged in child sacrifices. In fact, because Israel did not complete the job, it was punished.
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Abraham sure thought that it was in Yahweh's character to sacrifice his child.

Then there's Jeptha's daughter. Yahweh had no problem condoning that child sacrifice.
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15-08-2014, 04:20 PM
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(15-08-2014 04:05 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  The Gospels were written decades after the alleged events, by unknown authors, none of whom were eyewitnesses.

The gospels were written within a couple years after Jesus died on the cross. You know this because Luke wrote in Acts about Paul but never mentioned his death. So Acts was written before the 65 AD Neronian persecutions.

But there is more. Luke said Acts was part 2 of his former work in the gospel of Luke speaking to the same person in his writing. So that places Acts around 50 AD and Luke would have to be before that around 40 AD. But Luke admitted he took in part from Mark so that places Mark around 35 AD just 2 years after the cross.

But there is more. Mark was good buddies with Peter (and with Paul) so that places 1 & 2 Peter in which he testified to seeing Jesus alive from the dead right after the cross also.

All the gospels were finished easily before 40 AD right in line with what you would expect. John in his epistles said he saw Jesus resurrected. James in his epistle said he saw Jesus resurrected. John said he spoke with Jesus again in Revelation. John placed himself at the cross when Jesus died in his gospel account. Mark placed himself running naked in the street when Jesus was captured in his gospel account. Matthew was one of the 12 Apostles in his account.

Even more. Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 15, Gal. 1 & 2 that he spent 15 days with Peter. Paul was converted 2 years after the cross. He said he spent time with James, brother of Jesus, and John also. They gave Paul the gospel message and Paul said they added nothing onto him in his own eyewitness testimony to their eyewitness testimony in various group settings.

This is exactly the kind of evidence historians salivate over because it is so near and so well corroborated by many different writers in many different texts like the 27 texts of the NT. Even enemy attestation from the Jews and Romans in their writings don't deny the empty tomb of Jesus.
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15-08-2014, 04:46 PM
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15-08-2014, 04:56 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 03:43 PM)hbl Wrote:  They did not just write down their claims but gave their eyewitness testimony in various group settings. All those in the know who spent 3 years with Jesus held the line and did not change their views. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. In a court of law people have gone to jail on multiply corroborated testimony.

Lying in group setting does not change the fact that groups of people with a motive to lie, do in fact lie. They wrote books that said they valued deception. Point dismissed as crap.

(15-08-2014 03:43 PM)hbl Wrote:  Of course He knew. God did not waste His time. He is not going to prevent the creation of those who would be saved on the account many such as yourself He knew would go to Hell because they would never accept His love.

You were told not to judge. You judge. See you in hell. "Preventing creation" means she's not the "active creator", and Reality is going on totally apart from your creator. and that it's something she must "prevent". Try growing a brain some day. Being forced "to accept" love, is not love. it's sickness and abuse. Except in the nut house. How many people do you have tied up in your basement that you force to love you ?

(15-08-2014 03:43 PM)hbl Wrote:  Israel did not engage in child sacrifices. For example, Abraham was about to do what the nations around him did to his son Isaac, but God withheld his hand showing Him another way.

Abraham was a myth, and archeology has proven Israel did engage in child sacrifice.
Your ignorance of your own cult is astounding.
http://www.usbible.com/Sacrifice/sacrifice_israel.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-ta...77340.html
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromot...nt-israel/
http://www.bible-history.com/backd2/huma...ifice.html
http://www.come-and-hear.com/supplement/br-ursamajor/
http://www.rationalchristianity.net/huma...ifice.html

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15-08-2014, 05:01 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
How did I miss this thread?

Yes, yes, all us heathens are zombies.

Your question is answered. You may go now.

See here they are the bruises some were self-inflicted and some showed up along the way. - JF
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15-08-2014, 05:22 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 04:20 PM)hbl Wrote:  The gospels were written within a couple years after Jesus died on the cross. You know this because Luke wrote in Acts about Paul but never mentioned his death. So Acts was written before the 65 AD Neronian persecutions.

No. No scholar says that. Prove it with references to scholars. You can't.
Paul NEVER quotes a gospel, so we know they did not exist for him to use.

Your desperation is showing. Never once have you supplied ONE piece of evidence for any of your lies here. Loser. Sucks to be you. Thumbsup

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15-08-2014, 05:45 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 03:22 PM)DemonicLemon Wrote:  [Image: jesus-lich.jpg]

Thank you Demonic Lemon! That was more than milk! Big Grin
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