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15-08-2014, 07:33 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 07:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  People die for all kinds of reasons. Are you saying the 9/11 bombers make Islam true ?

You're totally missing the point. The 9/11 bombers believed in their beliefs for which there is no evidence. Whereas Apostles believed in what they saw and not just individually but in various groups. Group hallucinations are impossible. And people don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. The Apostles, thus, truly believed they saw, touched, walked with and ate with Jesus for 40 days of His resurrection appearances.
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15-08-2014, 07:36 PM
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(15-08-2014 07:33 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(15-08-2014 07:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  People die for all kinds of reasons. Are you saying the 9/11 bombers make Islam true ?

You're totally missing the point. The 9/11 bombers believed in their beliefs for which there is no evidence. Whereas Apostles believed in what they saw and not just individually but in various groups. Group hallucinations are impossible. And people don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. The Apostles, thus, truly believed they saw, touched, walked with and ate with Jesus for 40 days of His resurrection appearances.

So are group alien spacecraft sightings real?

Cult leaders have died for what they knew was a lie, their followers though likely died because they were deceived to believe.

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15-08-2014, 07:37 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 07:33 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(15-08-2014 07:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  People die for all kinds of reasons. Are you saying the 9/11 bombers make Islam true ?

You're totally missing the point. The 9/11 bombers believed in their beliefs for which there is no evidence. Whereas Apostles believed in what they saw and not just individually but in various groups. Group hallucinations are impossible. And people don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. The Apostles, thus, truly believed they saw, touched, walked with and ate with Jesus for 40 days of His resurrection appearances.

Nope. Now you equivocate YOUR OWN POINT. People believe what they believe and obviously the evidence for religious nuts makes no difference. They are the same. They BOTH thought they were right, and what they believed is NOT THE POINT. YOU are the one who missed YOUR OWN point. Sucks to be you. We already went through this. ARe you demented ? Fatima. Group delusion. Salem Witches. Group delusion. Sucks to be you.

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15-08-2014, 07:41 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 07:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  They are the same. They BOTH thought they were right, and what they believed is NOT THE POINT. Fatima. Group delusion.

The why makes all the difference because we are talking about eye site. This must be accounted for. Yet group hallucinations are impossible and people don't willingly die for what they know is a lie.

Fatima is far off in the distance which can be construed as an illusion not a hallucination.
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15-08-2014, 07:55 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" (Matt. 23.33) "In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side" (Luke 16.23).
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15-08-2014, 08:05 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
All Atheists Go to Hell, Do not Pass Go

By learning to read God’s word through reading and praying, we gradually touch the spirit of the word. We become aware of the great distance which exists between our personal condition and the spirit of God’s word. Take, for instance, the passage in Philippians 3. 18-19, which reads: “For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is perdition, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.” We may quite easily and correctly say that these are the enemies of God, whose end is perdition, but we have hardly touched the spirit of the writer of this Scripture passage. If we were to read through quickly, we would fail to touch the spirit of the writer. But if we were to pray and to read at the same time—if we were to put ourselves in the place and the heart of the writer—we would readily see how full of love is his heart.

"Do not fear them who can kill the body only rather fear Him who can destroy both the soul and body in hell" (Matt. 10.28). "Destroy" doesn't here mean annihilation, but in the lexicon: "render useless...to perish, to be lost, ruined...to lose...metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell...to put out of the way entirely, abolish." The unsaved can no longer do damage to the elect because they will be eternally separated from us like a prisoner locked in jail for life. "The hour is coming...unto the resurrection of life" and separated by a thousand years, some "unto the resurrection of damnation" (John 5.28-29). "He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36). "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46). "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the exclusion of the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (2 Thess. 1.8-9).

Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" (Ez. 18.23). "For I have no pleasure in the death of any one, says the Lord GOD; so turn, and live" (Ez. 18.31). "Say to them, As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ez. 33.11). God literally pleads with people. "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Pet. 3.9). "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2.4). God being all loving implies that in any world He creates, He desires and strives for the salvation of every person in that world. But people who would freely reject His every effort to save them should not be allowed to dictate to God what worlds He would be free to create. Why should the joy and the blessedness of those who would freely accept God's salvation be precluded because of those who would stubbornly and freely reject it?
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15-08-2014, 08:06 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
Same post in two threads, seconds apart.

Some would say you are entering the spam zone.

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15-08-2014, 08:06 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(15-08-2014 08:05 PM)hbl Wrote:  
All Atheists Go to Hell, Do not Pass Go

By learning to read God’s word through reading and praying, we gradually touch the spirit of the word. We become aware of the great distance which exists between our personal condition and the spirit of God’s word. Take, for instance, the passage in Philippians 3. 18-19, which reads: “For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is perdition, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.” We may quite easily and correctly say that these are the enemies of God, whose end is perdition, but we have hardly touched the spirit of the writer of this Scripture passage. If we were to read through quickly, we would fail to touch the spirit of the writer. But if we were to pray and to read at the same time—if we were to put ourselves in the place and the heart of the writer—we would readily see how full of love is his heart.

"Do not fear them who can kill the body only rather fear Him who can destroy both the soul and body in hell" (Matt. 10.28). "Destroy" doesn't here mean annihilation, but in the lexicon: "render useless...to perish, to be lost, ruined...to lose...metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell...to put out of the way entirely, abolish." The unsaved can no longer do damage to the elect because they will be eternally separated from us like a prisoner locked in jail for life. "The hour is coming...unto the resurrection of life" and separated by a thousand years, some "unto the resurrection of damnation" (John 5.28-29). "He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36). "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46). "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the exclusion of the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (2 Thess. 1.8-9).

Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" (Ez. 18.23). "For I have no pleasure in the death of any one, says the Lord GOD; so turn, and live" (Ez. 18.31). "Say to them, As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ez. 33.11). God literally pleads with people. "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Pet. 3.9). "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2.4). God being all loving implies that in any world He creates, He desires and strives for the salvation of every person in that world. But people who would freely reject His every effort to save them should not be allowed to dictate to God what worlds He would be free to create. Why should the joy and the blessedness of those who would freely accept God's salvation be precluded because of those who would stubbornly and freely reject it?

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15-08-2014, 08:09 PM
Re: Are Atheists Zombies?
Still haven't gotten an answer, I would like to know where I am going.

Where are these domains? If,only some of us get eternity does that mean hell is outside spacetime?

Wrong thread, eh all the same.

How can you know what hallucinations are real or not

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15-08-2014, 08:09 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3.18.
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