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16-08-2014, 10:53 PM (This post was last modified: 16-08-2014 10:59 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 10:09 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 10:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Focus on the substantiated facts.

Yes, let's do that. What we have in the 27 books of the NT are the most corroborated testimony in antiquity, thus, holding to the highest standards of historicity. Ask yourself what better proof could there possibly be?

These multiple points of corroboration are so powerful, we can conclude from Matthew, Luke, Peter, James, John, Jude, Mark and Paul that the 12 Apostles Jesus spent 3 years with truly believed they saw Him alive from the dead in various group settings (12 were recorded).

The most powerful point of corroboration is the fact that almost all scholars concede of all Paul's writings in the epistles, Paul's 1 Cor. 15, Gal. 1 & 2 are most trustworthy, genuinely Paul's own writings and his definite and sincerest view. He said he spent 15 days with Peter, and with John and James. He received the gospel from them. This is called the Minimal Facts Approach because it just focuses on the strongest point of agreement among scholars.

There is no naturalistic explanation to account for it so it is true.

Nope. There are not. You have never named one scholar, yet you seem to keep talking about them. I think you know shit about what real scholars say. Only believers talked about what they already believed. That's shit "corroboration". No real historians make this CLAIM. YOU have referenced none. Nothing was "recorded". There were no "recording devices". They made it all up. You have no proof anything they said was true. In fact there are many contradictions in the gospels, so there are many reasons not to believe any of the shit in them. You continue to lie about scholars, making assertions with no references. After yesterday, asserting that you thought Paul got his gospel from the apostles, when in fact he siad he got it from no man, there is no reason to believe ONE WORD you say.

"There is no naturalistic explanation to account for it so it is true." ... is known among educated people (which you clearly are not), as the Fallacy of an Argument from Ignorance.

"Argumentum ad Ignorantiam: (appeal to ignorance) the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric". It's actually so famous it has a Latin title.
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.html

Maybe you should consider getting an education before you keep making fool of yourself again and again.

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16-08-2014, 10:57 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 10:53 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Only believers talked about what they already believed.

It doesn't matter whether I talk about it or not. The fact still remains the Apostles who spent 3 years with Jesus said they saw Jesus alive from the dead up close and personal, to talk with and could even touch and have a meal with Him.

Having exhausted all possible naturalistic explanations to account for this, we know it must be true. Special pleading otherwise does not cut it.

The consequence for you is not good by remaining obstinate against God.
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16-08-2014, 10:59 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 10:57 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 10:53 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Only believers talked about what they already believed.

It doesn't matter whether I talk about it or not. The fact still remains the Apostles who spent 3 years with Jesus said they saw Jesus alive from the dead up close and personal, to talk with and could even touch and have a meal with Him.

Having exhausted all possible naturalistic explanations to account for this, we know it must be true. Special pleading otherwise does not cut it.

The consequence for you is not good by remaining obstinate against God.

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LOL! The apostles were just as imaginary as your Jesus!

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16-08-2014, 11:03 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 10:44 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 10:41 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  Because we don't need naturalistic explanations for stories!

There is nothing for you to think this is just a story. Jesus is the most documented person in antiquity. If He didn't exist then Aristotle and Plato didn't either, not Julius Caesar nor Tiberius.

So foremost you are in a state of delusion and like all delusions they are eventually harmful to your state of mind which will make you unhappy and increasingly uncomfortable.

I think it's wonderful how someone can help another person out of their delusions even though they are miles and countries apart.


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That's bullshit, and the historicity of Jesus has been explained to you, with documentation, dozens of times.

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16-08-2014, 11:04 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 10:57 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 10:53 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Only believers talked about what they already believed.

It doesn't matter whether I talk about it or not. The fact still remains the Apostles who spent 3 years with Jesus said they saw Jesus alive from the dead up close and personal, to talk with and could even touch and have a meal with Him.

Having exhausted all possible naturalistic explanations to account for this, we know it must be true. Special pleading otherwise does not cut it.

The consequence for you is not good by remaining obstinate against God.

I said nothing about what YOU talk about. Apparently you are unable to even follow an argument. Which explains why you have never once answered any questions posed to you. There is no reason to believe a group that may or may not have existed, or what they CLAIMED. "Special Pleading otherwise does not cut it" is a meaningless string of words you apparently used/made up, to make yourself sound intelligent. It means nothing in the context you used it. You don't even know what Special Pleading is. You are an ignoramus, and WAY over your head here. You are a fucking nobody, and you know nothimg about anything, including this subject you pretend to know about.

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16-08-2014, 11:06 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 11:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no reason to believe a group that may or may not have existed, or what they CLAIMED.

Jesus was the most documented person in antiquity so if he didn't exist, nobody did. No historian would take your ignorant position.

Therefore, you suffer a delusion, and as is the case will all delusions they eventually break down and do harm to their holders edging ever further to insanity.
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16-08-2014, 11:10 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 11:06 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 11:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no reason to believe a group that may or may not have existed, or what they CLAIMED.

Jesus was the most documented person in antiquity so if he didn't exist, nobody did. No historian would take your ignorant position.

Therefore, you suffer a delusion, and as is the case will all delusions they eventually break down and do harm to their holders edging ever further to insanity.

He was not "documented". No historian says he was. You have no reference for that CLAIM, and with your complete lack of education, there is no reason to accept anything you say. You're a bullshitter. A snake-oil salesman.

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16-08-2014, 11:13 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 11:10 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  He was not "documented". No historian says he was.

All historians concede Jesus has more sources for him than for anyone ten figures in antiquity combined.

Your delusion is increasing your insanity.
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16-08-2014, 11:18 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 11:13 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 11:10 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  He was not "documented". No historian says he was.

All historians concede Jesus has more sources for him than for anyone ten figures in antiquity combined.

Your delusion is increasing your insanity.

Listening to you shout your BS is increasing our insanity.

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16-08-2014, 11:20 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(16-08-2014 11:13 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 11:10 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  He was not "documented". No historian says he was.

All historians concede Jesus has more sources for him than for anyone ten figures in antiquity combined.

Your delusion is increasing your insanity.

Apparently this "Christlike" name caller thinks that what Jebus would do.

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