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14-08-2014, 10:16 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
Quote: Whereas the flood in Gen. 1.2 around 65 million years ago was global when God caused the earth to become waste and desolate due to the sin of the inhabitants of earth's earliest ages.

The Earth is only about 6000 years old, everybody knows that! Sheesh! Facepalm
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14-08-2014, 10:20 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(14-08-2014 10:11 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 11:54 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  God kills everybody on the planet except Noah and his family.

You misread the Bible. Noah's flood was a local flood the known world at the time. Whereas the flood in Gen. 1.2 around 65 million years ago was global when God caused the earth to become waste and desolate due to the sin of the inhabitants of earth's earliest ages.

I would not assume everyone in the local flood was unsaved, but it was necessary to generate the flood because the sin had to be stopped and this was the only way at that point. There is also the issue of the Nephilim giants that needed to be extinguished because they are a corruption of the human race by evil spirits impregnating the daughters of men.

To put in terms you can understand it would be like letting all the rapists and murderers out of jail to run amuck. And lets say there were 9 rapists and murderers for every 1 good person. God is willing in that case to save the 1 good person even though he will die in the flood to extinguish the 9 rapists and murderers.

Hope that helps you put it into perspective. Death for the saved is not their final end, for they are saved and shall be resurrected to be with the saved. But neither is death for you the unsaved the end either because you will be resurrected for Hell to be with Satan, Nero, Judas, etc.


You realize how fictitious and silly that all sounds. Giants, resurrection, Hell.

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14-08-2014, 10:24 PM
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(14-08-2014 10:20 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  You realize how fictitious and silly that all sounds. Giants, resurrection, Hell.

You realize you are full of mistaken assumptions?

Giants are genetically enhanced taller people like you see today even. This is not God's ordained will for people to be that tall.

Jesus was resurrected, and nobody to this day can find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings. Yet you still deny it without any evidence? Why is it the lawyer in the Guinness Book of Records who won 245 cases in a row said the best evidenced case he has ever seen was for the life, death, burial, resurrection and deity of Jesus? Who knows more about evidence than him?

Wanting to be eternally separated from God as is your desire, where do you think you will be other than Hell? Free will is not truly free without this free choice.

Do you see how fictitious your beliefs are?
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14-08-2014, 10:32 PM
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(14-08-2014 01:47 PM)BlackMason Wrote:  JUST BAN HIM ALREADY!!!


Every time I run across one of his posts, I expect to see that line through his username. Big Grin
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14-08-2014, 10:49 PM
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(14-08-2014 10:32 PM)TheBear Wrote:  JUST BAN HIM ALREADY!!!

At least you're not going to kill me like you would have done to the first Apostles who were martyred.
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14-08-2014, 11:06 PM
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(14-08-2014 10:24 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 10:20 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  You realize how fictitious and silly that all sounds. Giants, resurrection, Hell.

Jesus was resurrected, and nobody to this day can find a naturalistic explanation

Because is cannot happen!!! Get your head out of your ass. There is no explanation for it because it didn't happen. There is no "eyewitness testimony", someone writing something down in a book does not mean that event took place. Last time I checked, a lawyer is not a biblical scholar so I doubt he knows much about the so called "evidence" that was presented to him. The only thing that proves is he is good at convincing people.

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14-08-2014, 11:20 PM (This post was last modified: 14-08-2014 11:24 PM by hbl.)
RE: Are Atheists Zombies?
(14-08-2014 11:06 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  There is no "eyewitness testimony", someone writing something down in a book does not mean that event took place.

Historians like just this kind of evidence more than any other because it is so well corroborated by the Apostles testifying to seeing Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings. We have second generation Apostles testifying to know personally the eyewitness Apostles. And this is not a book per say, but 40 writers over 1500 years in different places in complete agreement. It's not just some book. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. The Apostles were martyred for this testimony, their eyewitness testimony. So you see why you need to come up with a plausible naturalistic explanation otherwise, you have blind faith; and not only that but a belief system that shuts your mind down to the evidence.

If you don't choose to accept that standard of evidence, then you can deny everything that ever happened in history, but what historians would give you a second thought with that attitude?

God says this is the best evidence you could ask for. Test yourself and ask what would be better evidence? You come up empty handed.
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14-08-2014, 11:44 PM
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(14-08-2014 11:20 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 11:06 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  There is no "eyewitness testimony", someone writing something down in a book does not mean that event took place.

Historians like just this kind of evidence more than any other because it is so well corroborated by the Apostles testifying to seeing Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings. We have second generation Apostles testifying to know personally the eyewitness Apostles. And this is not a book per say, but 40 writers over 1500 years in different places in complete agreement. It's not just some book. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. The Apostles were martyred for this testimony, their eyewitness testimony. So you see why you need to come up with a plausible naturalistic explanation otherwise, you have blind faith; and not only that but a belief system that shuts your mind down to the evidence.

If you don't choose to accept that standard of evidence, then you can deny everything that ever happened in history, but what historians would give you a second thought with that attitude?

God says this is the best evidence you could ask for. Test yourself and ask what would be better evidence? You come up empty handed.

We have evidence that opposes most of the Bible and these so called "events" it's called fucking science. There isn't a complete agreement because there are many contradictions in the Bible. All your doing is saying the same shit over and over again and it doesn't make it any more true than before. In your other thread your claims have been thoroughly rebutted. Which Historians are you talking about? Show me evidence or shut up.

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14-08-2014, 11:50 PM
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(14-08-2014 11:44 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  There isn't a complete agreement because there are many contradictions in the Bible.

You mistakenly think the Bible has to be 100% true for the evidence of the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings to be true.

There is virtually 100% agreement by scholars who do peer review journal or accredited work on the resurrection. They almost all claim that the Apostles truly believed they saw Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings. This puts the burden on you to deal with this.

Now you have a choice to shut your mind down or for you to listen to God in what He considers the best proof you could ask for. This would explain why you can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for their eyewitness testimony in various group settings.

Fact: The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).
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14-08-2014, 11:56 PM
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(14-08-2014 11:50 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 11:44 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  There isn't a complete agreement because there are many contradictions in the Bible.

You mistakenly think the Bible has to be 100% true for the evidence of the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings to be true.

There is virtually 100% agreement by scholars who do peer review journal or accredited work on the resurrection. They almost all claim that the Apostles truly believed they saw Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings. This puts the burden on you to deal with this.

Now you have a choice to shut your mind down or for you to listen to God in what He considers the best proof you could ask for. This would explain why you can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for their eyewitness testimony in various group settings.

Fact: The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).

You complete miss the part where I asked for evidence, names of these scholars and historians because your talking out of your ass like most religious people do.

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