Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
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27-02-2012, 01:48 PM
Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
The question seems to be justified because they have been winning almost every battle since the seventies.

I have had ample experience with both Capitalist and non-Capitalist meetings, conferences, caucuses, brain-storming sessions, whatever you want to call it.
There was the same amount of aimlessness, silliness, stupidity, manipulation and downright malice in both.

The major difference, as I see it, is in the power-structure.

In Capitalist groups the structure is dominated by fear of those above you in the hierarchy (I often call it a ‘fear-structure’ ).

The one, at the very top of this fear-structure, is in a position to ruthlessly enforce his main objective: maximize profit for the company, or failing that, his bonus in the next CEO-compensation-package.

In non-Capitalist groups you have this major element of fear missing, so the exercise is not as focused as in the Capitalist fear-dominated sessions.

Besides, we socialists have scruples, principles and don’t have a clearly defined objective.

The capitalists don’t have the scruples and the principles and their objectives are VERY clearly defined: they want it all.
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27-02-2012, 02:07 PM
RE: Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
This is why I can't understand the desire to have private health care, a private school system, private roads, etc. If the goal is profit then care for the individual or community is extremely low on the list of priorities. When it's a government issue and profit isn't so much a priority, then care for the individual/community can take a higher priority.

When a company is traded then shareholders are involved, and with shares profit isn't enough. Growth is a necessity, so you always have to have profits higher this year than last year.

I'm sure that's a bit oversimplified, but that's how I see it.

But perhaps in pure capitalism the ruthlessness of it strives for a sharper edge than pure socialism.

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29-02-2012, 08:23 AM
RE: Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
(27-02-2012 02:07 PM)kineo Wrote:  But perhaps in pure capitalism the ruthlessness of it strives for a sharper edge than pure socialism.

Exactly, kineo.

That is why I said before: Socialism is a very poorly defined compromise between the two extremes: Laissez-faire Capitalism and Communism.

That is why we are infighting all the time, losing focus, work at counter purposes, while our class enemies are united, ruthless and efficient.

In the "Proposal for a New Social Contract" thread I tried to suggest a well-defined compromise, but I am not holding my breath to see it enacted, at least not in my lifetime.
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29-02-2012, 08:47 AM
RE: Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
The same applies for Theocracy vs Secularism.
Currently this is very much on show in the USA.
One views the public sphere as a market place where the best product / idea / religion get to dominate
The other views the public sphere as neutral space (separation of church and state)

The former leads to e.g. the 30 year's war, heresy trials etc. but also innovation through competition;
the latter leads to laissez-faire, tolerance but also perhaps stagnation and complacency.

Take your pick.

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29-02-2012, 12:49 PM
RE: Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
I don't think Capitalism is necessarily smarted than Socialism, it's simply more realistic. Human nature is closer to Capitalism than Socialism, so Capitalism simply accepts this as a fact of life and tries to make the best of it. Socialism is based on going against human nature. To me it's similar to the argument of teaching abstinence vs handing out condoms. Handing out condoms simply accepts the fact people will have sex and tries to do something constructive about it.

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29-02-2012, 07:37 PM
RE: Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
(27-02-2012 01:48 PM)Zat Wrote:  The question seems to be justified because they have been winning almost every battle since the seventies.

I have had ample experience with both Capitalist and non-Capitalist meetings, conferences, caucuses, brain-storming sessions, whatever you want to call it.
There was the same amount of aimlessness, silliness, stupidity, manipulation and downright malice in both.

The major difference, as I see it, is in the power-structure.

In Capitalist groups the structure is dominated by fear of those above you in the hierarchy (I often call it a ‘fear-structure’ ).

The one, at the very top of this fear-structure, is in a position to ruthlessly enforce his main objective: maximize profit for the company, or failing that, his bonus in the next CEO-compensation-package.

In non-Capitalist groups you have this major element of fear missing, so the exercise is not as focused as in the Capitalist fear-dominated sessions.

Besides, we socialists have scruples, principles and don’t have a clearly defined objective.

The capitalists don’t have the scruples and the principles and their objectives are VERY clearly defined: they want it all.

By this logic theists are smarter than atheists.
Maybe smarter isn't the right word?
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29-02-2012, 07:42 PM
RE: Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
(29-02-2012 07:37 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Maybe smarter isn't the right word?

It was a facetious question. I KNOW that they are not smarter -- actually, they are downright stupid because their policies lead to self-destruction. Undecided
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08-03-2012, 02:06 AM
RE: Are Capitalists smarter than Socialists?
I tend to look at the whole Capitalism Vs Socialism argument this way: We use both already.

All modern democracies are a healthy mixture of capitalism and socialism, some healthier than others.
Elements like early life schooling, healthcare, roads, police, and the military are most effective when publicly owned and when they are accountable to the government, which (hopefully) represents the people.
Other things like consumer products and higher education are best left to the will of free markets as it allows for freedom of choice and innovation.

In short: I like my busses run by the government, and my car designed by Nissan.
What ever works best, is the way it should be run and we have more than enough evidence throughout history to figure out what works were.

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