Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
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16-01-2013, 12:51 AM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
Socrates had no problem getting people to feed him or mend his shoes in exchange for knowledge, which was his product. And there are still today a great many philosophers who make money at the task of thinking.

So no, philosophy is not failing with respect to the philosopher's own self interest. It is failing at the task of solving the questions of morality and happiness. The latter being the end goal of all human pursuits.

And, neither philosophers nor psychologists are allowed to write prescriptions.
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16-01-2013, 10:26 AM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
(15-01-2013 01:42 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  scarcity of intelligence

I was going to say, scarcity of rationality, but I think intelligence might work.

Buddy Christ Wrote:Every other emotion I could come up with to blame, I found could be further deduced to fear.

I'd say emotions, all together, yet separate, if you were wanting to make that argument. At a certain point, I'd think it would be a stretch to say something was just fear. You might get into looking for what you want to see, as opposed to what is there. If you said all emotions, it kind of still work, even if they were all just a part of fear. Unless, of course, you thought some emotions, shouldn't be included.

(15-01-2013 02:42 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  If we are in a pitch dark room.

If in a "pitch dark room", yes, at that point, you should be afraid. I'd definitely be proven correct, that you should have been more aware, if, I don't know, maybe, you were to get kicked in the knee or something.

(16-01-2013 12:51 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  So no, philosophy is not failing with respect to the philosopher's own self interest. It is failing at the task of solving the questions of morality and happiness. The latter being the end goal of all human pursuits.

If you asked me, philosophy hasn't failed, at all. A lot problems are solved, at least to the point that they can actually be solved. Philosophy really isn't about the answers, as much as about the questions, anyway.

The real problem is that, people really don't give a shit about the answers, or really even the questions, at all.

It's the reason why you can go to damn near any forum, that discusses any range of topics, and it is almost a guarantee that you see a decent number of the same topics being brought up, again and again, with the exact same answers and conclusion in every one of them. It's even to the point where regulars will get pissed and start posting links to Google and bitching about people not using the search box. It should be obvious that people aren't going to search; they could not really care less about the answer or the questions, they just want to ask.

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16-01-2013, 11:14 AM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
"If you asked me, philosophy hasn't failed, at all. A lot problems are
solved, at least to the point that they can actually be solved."

So you're of the opinion that caging non violent, peaceful individuals for the crime of having a piece of vegetation in their pockets is as good as a problem can be solved? And that flying robots half way across the planet and dropping bombs on innocent human beings is as close to being solved as a problem can get? I firmly disagree.

Philosophy is about examining questions related to morality and arriving at answers. If you're examining questions without concern for answering them, you're not practicing philosophy, you're practicing mental masturbation.
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16-01-2013, 04:47 PM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
i think all the problems come from ignorance not being able to solve a problem due to the lack of knowledge and fear comes forth from ignorance.

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16-01-2013, 06:36 PM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
(16-01-2013 11:14 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  "If you asked me, philosophy hasn't failed, at all. A lot problems are
solved, at least to the point that they can actually be solved."

So you're of the opinion that caging non violent, peaceful individuals for the crime of having a piece of vegetation in their pockets is as good as a problem can be solved? And that flying robots half way across the planet and dropping bombs on innocent human beings is as close to being solved as a problem can get? I firmly disagree.

Philosophy is about examining questions related to morality and arriving at answers. If you're examining questions without concern for answering them, you're not practicing philosophy, you're practicing mental masturbation.

Are we talking about philosophy as a field of inquiry, and philosophers as the people that actually do, and take, philosophy seriously? Or are we talking about the US government?

Congress definitely isn't filled with philosophers, and if it was, that wouldn't last long. People still do not like socialism.

You can't really arrive at answers, because at the most basic level, you will just begging the question, at least when someone questions your stance. I think Kant pretty much covered morality, but that won't stop utilitarians from bugging you with their happiness or the religious from telling you their imaginary friend disagrees.

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16-01-2013, 07:22 PM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
"Are we talking about philosophy as a field of inquiry, and philosophers
as the people that actually do, and take, philosophy seriously? Or are
we talking about the US government?"

With all due respect, no one has mentioned government until you brought it up so no, I'm not talking about government. Why did you think that?

"Congress definitely isn't filled with philosophers, and if it was, that wouldn't last long. People still do not like socialism."

I agree that congress isn't filled with philosophers. It is filled with sociopaths. However, socialism is alive and well and has enormous support from Americans. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and ALL public "services" are socialist programs. Not to mention, the American voters have been electing socialists and fascists for quite some time now.

"You can't really arrive at answers, because at the most basic level, you
will just begging the question, at least when someone questions your
stance. I think Kant pretty much covered morality, but that won't stop
utilitarians from bugging you with their happiness or the religious from
telling you their imaginary friend disagrees."


How can you accuse someone of begging the question when you haven't heard an argument from them? And yes, Kant covered morality. A lot of people have... some well and some not so well. My argument isn't that philosophers haven't made valiant and valid efforts at solving moral problems. My argument is that the overwhelming majority of people haven't followed their advise. If a surgeon successfully removes an appendix but his patient dies on the table, do we label that a successful operation?
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16-01-2013, 07:47 PM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
(16-01-2013 07:22 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  With all due respect, no one has mentioned government until you brought it up so no, I'm not talking about government. Why did you think that?

It was because of your comment, but I was just joking.

Quote:My argument is that the overwhelming majority of people haven't followed their advise.


Yeah, that's what I was trying to imply as well.

Quote:If a surgeon successfully removes an appendix but his patient dies on the table, do we label that a successful operation?

That would depend. Was his goal to remove the appendix; or keep the patient alive?

I was mainly trying to say that you can't blame philosophy/philosophers, if people don't really give a shit.

Also, with the begging the question, I was referring to the ability for someone to deny the premise even if it's self evident. They can just deny that it's self evident, and argue something else, which you can deny....., etc.

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16-01-2013, 10:07 PM
RE: Are all of humanity's problems caused by fear?
As I said a few posts up, the goal of philosophy is to create and disseminate a moral framework that will allow people to find happiness and live in peace (which is something of a tautology). It has failed at that task and my assertion is that its failure can be attributed to the lack of psychological knowledge, early on, and the lack of psychological inquiry today.

In simple terms, you can solve all the problems in the world with the best solutions ever but if you don't know why people do, say and believe the things they do you will never convince a majority of them to adopt those solutions.
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